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ChrisOne
#1 Posted : 8/22/2014 11:49:32 PM
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Hey guys, i'm new here,

I have been doin a lot of research on DMT for about a year or so and I think I am ready to smoke it within a few months. I think I have all bases cleared as far as setting and how to smoke it, sort of what to expect and all that.
I have had experiences with mushrooms in the past but I'm fascinated with what I have been hearing reading watching about DMT and Ayahuasca.

Now I can't seem to find anything on long term effects of DMT use.

Can anybody give me some info?

Thank you in advance

Chris.
 

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#2 Posted : 8/23/2014 12:25:13 AM

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ChrisOne wrote:
Hey guys, i'm new here,

I have been doin a lot of research on DMT for about a year or so and I think I am ready to smoke it within a few months. I think I have all bases cleared as far as setting and how to smoke it, sort of what to expect and all that.
I have had experiences with mushrooms in the past but I'm fascinated with what I have been hearing reading watching about DMT and Ayahuasca.

Now I can't seem to find anything on long term effects of DMT use.

Can anybody give me some info?

Thank you in advance

Chris.

A few of the possible long term effects: Peace, tranquility, love, gratitude, understanding.
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#3 Posted : 8/23/2014 12:32:19 AM

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Scientific Articles on DMT/Ayahuasca/Psychedelics (post #52)

The Scientific Investigation of Ayahuasca: A Review of Past and Current Research wrote:
Some older members have engaged in the practice for 30 or more years without apparent adverse health effects.


edit: weigh your dose; idk for sure but huge doses may have a slight chance of bringing out schizophrenia [if you're already predisposed]. iirc there was a senior member here who had mental health issues.

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#4 Posted : 8/23/2014 12:54:19 AM
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Cosmic Spore wrote:
iirc there was a senior member here who had mental health issues.


It depends on your personality and susceptibility to strange beliefs.

If you know your thoughts are strange, and you roll with them and go into deep rabbit holes like "Am I God?", then DMT will give you whole new things to have strange thoughts about.

If you know your thoughts are strange, and you know not to take them too seriously, then you have nothing to worry about.
 
ChrisOne
#5 Posted : 8/23/2014 1:25:53 AM
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Thanks!

I guess I'm good to go eventhough i'm a little bit scared of the whole experience.

I want to see where it takes me and what I can learn from it.

 
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#6 Posted : 8/23/2014 8:21:56 PM
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ChrisOne wrote:
Thanks!

I guess I'm good to go eventhough i'm a little bit scared of the whole experience.

I want to see where it takes me and what I can learn from it.




I have one tip for every beginner:

Try gradually upping the dose to get a sense for the effects.

To go directly from baseline/human to BOOM, HYPERSPACE is extremely jarring and doesn't make you cooler. Sure, the "heroic dose" is an *okay* way to get introduced, and a lot of people do it that way. But it makes a lot more sense to gradually transition, and to learn to take in each new level of transcendence. This is not a race to be "the coolest, fastest traveler." It's about *your* journey and about enjoying the ride. You're not doing this for other people or for acceptance. You are doing it for yourself.

It's better to go step up... 10mg, 15mg, 20mg, 30mg... That way you first get the reality distortions, and then gradually reach the level where you leave this reality. It's a much better way to get used to the effects - like the way your heartbeat feels like rumbling thunder on DMT, or the way your body slows down, or the way your head feels like it's full of constant, prickly pressure, or the way your whole world begins to melt and becomes extremely colorful and then becomes covered in pulsating, patterned veins...

Lower doses won't really have any noticeable closed eye visuals, but they'll have open eye distortions. One tip when you're trying the low doses is to stare at the same spot of the room without blinking, to see reality melt even more and the colors becoming even more vibrant... At high doses it doesn't matter what you do, because it replaces this world regardless of whether your eyes are open or closed.
 
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#7 Posted : 8/23/2014 8:23:42 PM

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gibran2 wrote:
ChrisOne wrote:
Hey guys, i'm new here,

I have been doin a lot of research on DMT for about a year or so and I think I am ready to smoke it within a few months. I think I have all bases cleared as far as setting and how to smoke it, sort of what to expect and all that.
I have had experiences with mushrooms in the past but I'm fascinated with what I have been hearing reading watching about DMT and Ayahuasca.

Now I can't seem to find anything on long term effects of DMT use.

Can anybody give me some info?

Thank you in advance

Chris.

A few of the possible long term effects: Peace, tranquility, love, gratitude, understanding.


^^Ditto
 
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#8 Posted : 8/24/2014 12:12:45 AM

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In the medical literature "long term" is vague. Do you mean 3 months, 3 years, 30 years? The longer the time frame the more difficult to study. Then you need to define the frequency of use: light, moderate, heavy? Are we talking every week for 30 years? Then its further complicated by the fact that many pyschadelic users also frequently use multiple other drugs aka "polydrug users" in the literature.

Generally, studies on humans are notoriously difficult because we are not uniform and there are so many different factors that can skew results. In clinical trials, they attempt to get around this by having a huge number of study participants but this makes it very expensive. This is why big drug companies are mostly the ones doing them.

Since big drug companies are not really into DMT, most of "long term" studies on psychedelics are with a small number of participants. This means results are typically not statistically significant and should only be very cautiously translated to the general population, if at all.

That being said, it looks like there are some decent studies in the Scientific Articles on DMT/Ayahuasca/Psychedelics thread already posted. And they already did all the hard work for us, not only searching for but giving access to all the studies, wow! I didn't see any large studies however here's an excerpted abstract from a review (looks at other studies):

Quote:
DMT is capable of inducing aversive psychological reactions or transient psychotic episodes that resolve spontaneously in a few hours. There was no evidence that ayahuasca has substantial or persistent abuse potential. Long-term psychological benefits have been documented when ayahuasca is used in a well-established social context.

Gable, Robert S. "Risk assessment of ritual use of oral dimethyltryptamine (DMT) and harmala alkaloids." Addiction 102.1 (2007): 24-34.


Just my personal unscientific observations: humans have used psychedelics for a very, very long time. We don't even know how long since there's evidence it was before writing was invented! However, there are definitely some psychedelic users who are unstable and their usage worsens their condition. Some people could be helped by more sobriety in their life; constantly escaping from problems can make them worse.

Psychedelics, especially DMT, is strong medicine and should be respected. YMMV. Stay safe!
 
 
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