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Justkeepcalm
#1 Posted : 8/14/2014 5:45:53 AM
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My cat recently performed acid base extraction on acacia confusa rootbark and was
met with unfavorable results. He used 500g of root bark acid boiled for an hour and 45 minutes with 1800ml distilled h20 and 200ml of white distilled vinegar for a total of 4 acid washes.
He then reduced the remaining volume by boiling to 1200ml.
Afterward, he performed a defat with 3 washes of 200ml Naphtha, seperated solvent and discarded.
Then he basified the mixture with 75 grams of red hot devil lye, the mixture heated up and turned black.
Using apx. 700ml of Naphtha in four separate washes, (175ml per pull about), he added the Naphtha to the solution,
Warming the Naphtha to 100 degrees Fahrenheit beforehand.
He put the solvent in evaporation tray to preevap before freezer precipitation.
The solution immediately dropped out a bunch of dusty shit, then moved it into the freezer for 18 hours.
When collected, it appeared that nothing additional had precipitated. Some residual white pasty dmt was collected from the coffee fillets, but when the powder at the bottom was collected it was a dark goo, much like bho. The goo has some dmt in it.
Then he put the Naphtha back in the freezer, after 24 more hours a few very well defined crystals showed up in the jar. But not more than a gram.

My cat figures his problem lies in one of the following.
He is not sure if over boiling, our boiling at all, during the acid cook stage
or the reduction stage can destroy dmt. Is this possible or is boiling not anything to worry about?
Improper ratio of ingredients/wrong Ph.Is it possible to add to much vinegar?
Maybe his defat caused a significant loss of dmt?
Didn't Basify enough?
Extraction solvent to hot? Cold?
Nmt?
Also one question he has is does anyone do washes on their solvent before using it.
He always notices that anything you pour the Naphtha into, afterward there is a white residue on it
So he adds some distilled water to his solvent before using it, then seperate it.
Upon researching about this he didn't find anything.
What's of this do you think?
 

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Poads
#2 Posted : 8/14/2014 6:47:56 AM

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First of all, your cat should stay in its cage. Instead use words like "I" or "Me". There's no need to SWIM or use other nicknames here!

Now, onto the many, many problems of what you did.

In my experience, it's better to simmer rather than boil when acidifying. Your ratio there looks a little off. I use 1.5 cups white vinegar to 10 cups water. You might wanna try using slightly more vinegar. My calculations say that 270ml white vinegar to 1800ml water. But since the acid step is mostly optional, this is the least of your problems.

NEVER add naphtha before basifying! You should basify first, then add naphtha. With such a large extraction, you might want to use more lye (be careful when using lye!) You really cannot over basify. It's better to use too much lye than too little. Considering I use around 60g of lye for a 250g extraction, you certainly need more lye for a 500g extraction.

You should wait until the naphtha layer has fully separated, then wait even longer! The naphtha layer should be completely free from the black sludgy layer.

Don't feel too bad. My first extraction went pretty rough as well.

I'll pull an Earthwalker and recommend this popular tek...

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...7_Tek#Step-by-Step_Guide

Follow those instructions exactly, and you should be good to go.
POADS is gone!
 
Earthwalker
#3 Posted : 8/14/2014 7:13:35 AM

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Justkeepcalm wrote:
My cat recently performed acid base extraction on acacia confusa rootbark and was
met with unfavorable results. He used 500g of root bark acid boiled for an hour and 45 minutes with 1800ml distilled h20 and 200ml of white distilled vinegar for a total of 4 acid washes.
He then reduced the remaining volume by boiling to 1200ml.
Afterward, he performed a defat with 3 washes of 200ml Naphtha, seperated solvent and discarded.
Then he basified the mixture with 75 grams of red hot devil lye, the mixture heated up and turned black.
Using apx. 700ml of Naphtha in four separate washes, (175ml per pull about), he added the Naphtha to the solution,
Warming the Naphtha to 100 degrees Fahrenheit beforehand.
He put the solvent in evaporation tray to preevap before freezer precipitation.
The solution immediately dropped out a bunch of dusty shit, then moved it into the freezer for 18 hours.
When collected, it appeared that nothing additional had precipitated. Some residual white pasty dmt was collected from the coffee fillets, but when the powder at the bottom was collected it was a dark goo, much like bho. The goo has some dmt in it.
Then he put the Naphtha back in the freezer, after 24 more hours a few very well defined crystals showed up in the jar. But not more than a gram.

My cat figures his problem lies in one of the following.
He is not sure if over boiling, our boiling at all, during the acid cook stage
or the reduction stage can destroy dmt. Is this possible or is boiling not anything to worry about?
Improper ratio of ingredients/wrong Ph.Is it possible to add to much vinegar?
Maybe his defat caused a significant loss of dmt?
Didn't Basify enough?
Extraction solvent to hot? Cold?
Nmt?
Also one question he has is does anyone do washes on their solvent before using it.
He always notices that anything you pour the Naphtha into, afterward there is a white residue on it
So he adds some distilled water to his solvent before using it, then seperate it.
Upon researching about this he didn't find anything.
What's of this do you think?


You're solvent leaving a white residue doesn't sound good to me so IMO I'd be more concerned with that then anything else also

if it's you're first extraction you should start small before going for the bigger size extractions ,

It's sound you did things in the rite order 200ml defats maybe a little to much waste but nothing major ,

Also the temp of boiling isn't going to make a huge differance in yeilds unless you burn it ,

Naps temp doesn't make a huge differance either , so don't worry about the small differances the important things are you're ph levels and the order of the processes done on the extraction ,

And how sure are you of having quality bark ?

 
 
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