yo litrium no offence, but maybe you might not want to love the shamans so much? I mean, sure a lot of them might know a huge amount more than you or I in certain areas but by no means is that knowledge COMPLETE and ABSOLUTE. again, im not attacking you, its just that you seem to use 'the shamans' a lot in this thread, nearly every post...couldn't help noticing There's some spiritual wisdom in every major religious text, for example, but to seek truth in one only, and one absolutely, would seem to me limiting, and....imprudent. And to fredyjenkins, if 'the field book' could ever exist, then WE are writing it, man! lets go! unlucky, but it belongs to future generations...

if our "souls" are being "damaged" somehow by using DMT.... then would not the same exact thing happen every night (or have the possibility of happening) when we dream? i'm not sure if this argument stands, as surely the DMT levels are way higher.

has anyone ever asked these beings if they accept jesus christ as lord?

It's pure speculation that DMT influences dreaming. Sleep dreams and DMT trips don't have much, if anything, in common. A DMT trip is fleeting just like a sleep dream is but I think the similarities end there. DMT is perfectly safe IMO.

[quote:8b1de0b63f="Fuego"]has anyone ever asked these beings if they accept jesus christ as lord?[/quote:8b1de0b63f] Fuego- no offense...but if you've used spice you should know that you are as much God as Christ was........All is One, remember?

[quote:16343d987e="Fuego"]has anyone ever asked these beings if they accept jesus christ as lord?[/quote:16343d987e]lol. we should open up a missionary and spread the word of the lord, lmfao

[quote:ab37b21f8d]we should open up a missionary and spread the word of the lord, lmfao[/quote:ab37b21f8d] In hyperspace? I was thinking of opening a strip bar, but a missionary sounds good too.

christ is the concept of a man living without sin. as far as im concerned i have sinned. i am not love. i have not always been an unconditional loving human being. i have just as much potential to be god, love, truth, but i think if i lived my life acordingly to that potential that me or anyone could drasticaly change the world with all of the opertunities presented to us today. dmt might speak to you but no chemical can be a substitute for self sacrifice. understanding and wisdom is cheap compared to TRUE love and faithfuly living your life without contradicting that love. asking these entities we dont understand if they are congruent with the teachings (unconditional love through sacrificing time in this maya and using this physical body we are given to benifit others by being a living example, changing the world by first changing yourself (and only by chaning yourself as you only have control over just that), until all evil is eraticated from the world (which probably wont hapen in your lifetime)) is essencial because christ has gone so far beyond this physical maya and seen such a true light that even layer after layer of psychedelia cannot come close to. if these beings were pure and just this would be that perfect test, as they would concur with the words comin from christs mouth. sorry nothing new under the sun people if these beings arent leading you to an undersanding and a LIFE of unconditional love than their just as good as the rest of us. i think comming into a dmt trip with this perspecitve could be especialy useful when confronting these entities, instaed of amazement it would be YOU that have something to offer them, unless that is their on the same plane. if they are no greater than me giving them credit would make them just as much a part of the illusion as the chair your siting in or the computer we are typing these expereinces on. not essencial to survial or love. what the fuck would i have anything to do with that if im trying to better things or right my wrongs?

Fuego: Any duality....good/evil....light/dark.....male/female....etc.....is part of the illusion...part of the matrix. There is only ONE...and good/evil has no place in it. All science and religion are only stories to tie us to this illusion. You have to move beyond Christ and God as you know them.

This is what i've come to realize about that subject.. religion..christ....jeebus...all that stuff was fabricated by man..to answer the questions that could not be answered. Once man was able too...he asked himself.."who am i?", "why am i here".."what is my purpose" Since man could not come up with a logical answer, he came to the conclusion that there must be an outside force that is beyond this world..to justify his being and self. And then religion evolved to what it is today. And i feel that many of the stories are drawn from the sky..astronomy. aka..the heavens. I do not input any sort of religious beliefs into my life..or any of my psychedelic experiences. You will miss everything if it's clouded by a man-made misconception of what you have been told since birth. But that's just me. Religion works for some people. Gives them a direction to go i guess.

[quote:abe3c31a7a="XENONSION"] I do not input any sort of religious beliefs into my life..or any of my psychedelic experiences. You will miss everything if it's clouded by a man-made misconception of what you have been told since birth. But that's just me. Religion works for some people. Gives them a direction to go i guess.[/quote:abe3c31a7a] couldn't have said it better if i had tried.

As a virgin who just had his cherry popped I noticed something a little unsettling shortly afterwards. While the content of the conversaton I was having with another friend about Eastern medical philosophy was stimulating, interesting and poignant to me, there was a little part of me that just. didn't. care. But in a manner that struck me as irksome and sad. I don't really know what to attribute the experience to, but I certainly got the notion that eventually one might just get overwhelmed by "the nothing" (for lack of a better analogy) Perhaps it was just the grandeur of the experience I just had, not much corporeally can stand up to it in the afterglow. I also felt an eerie calmness throughout the rest of the night. As though I was on an antidepressant, feeling extremely focused on core thoughts rather than little peripheral 'worry gremlin' thoughts like "what are people here on the subway train thinking of me?" Albeit very meditative.

mannnnnnn fuck. i hate being judged as a christian. im not the kind of christian that is popular today. im looking at it from the metaphorical point. yes i know theres christ/god in all of us. the potential is there. logic will only get you so far faith needs to do the rest. logic cant change things its your life and actions that do that. love is what christ taught, christians would be christ folowers, or livers of love. so i tihnk the better thing to ask would be do you accept love as your ruler. is love your king, do you place anything on your list of priorities higher than loving. get what im sayin?

Dmt will show you what you need to see at that stage of your evolution. Take the lessons you learn and cherish them but make sure that when you explore your intentions are clear and views un biased. Do not look through the eyes of the great trickster we all know as FEAR

[quote:42954f4156]has anyone ever asked these beings if they accept jesus christ as lord?[/quote:42954f4156] Spirituality & religion have nothing at all in common One makes life, is life, is exstance!! The other makes [b:42954f4156]money, IS ALL ABOUT MONEY [/b:42954f4156]!!!! Do you really need a church to tell you to be a decent person?? Remember the golden rule? [i:42954f4156]Treat other people the way you would have other people treat you.[/i:42954f4156] (remind you of any long haired carpenter/prophets???) If you actually live that way, is there anything else really nessissary??? Is a fancy, expensive looking room and a pecentage of your monthly income really nessissary to learn you shouldn't be a shit??? Follow the trail of money! Inner spirituality doesn't demand a monthly tiding, just that you [b:42954f4156][i:42954f4156]truely[/i:42954f4156][/b:42954f4156] be honest with youself. If you truely live the [i:42954f4156]golden rule[/i:42954f4156] everything else will fall into place. You will be an example to others without having to tell them thats what your doing. Actually teaching by living the example. No worshiping requiered!!! I'm far from perfect, but I [b:42954f4156]do[/b:42954f4156] try to treat other people the way I want to be treated. Most don't notice. Some jerks see it as being a pussy with no backbone. Others, become friends of mine. [b:42954f4156]Remember,[/b:42954f4156] If your not good all year long, Santa won't bring you a good present at the end of this year!! And If your really bad, Santa will put coal in your stocking and punish you!!! (hmmm, that sounds familier too) WS

[quote:7e30cbfc2b="Fuego"]has anyone ever asked these beings if they accept jesus christ as lord?[/quote:7e30cbfc2b] These beings IMo are a part of you, some distant part of you. A visual and emotional manifestation of your subconcious not corrupted by daily life. So ask yourself if you accept Christ as youre lord. You wont need dmt to do that although it certainly makes it easier!

[quote:ab0c458ae5]One makes life, is life, is exstance!![/quote:ab0c458ae5] Can you be any more right!!! Spot on. Well in my view at least. You got my vote

[quote:22e897df88="litrium"]And you see if the animal had a little more awareness he would find humans to be seriously fucking evil overlords right? But in the human world it's all good and for the most part animals live a carefree existance oblivious to their fates until they are needed. So if this 'as above so below' statement is true and there are higher entities in existance maybe from their perspective we are the same as the animals we exploit on a day to day basis but we aren't aware of it because are awareness is too low and perhaps Dmt Raises your awareness to make you see that damn, I ain't on the top of the food chain after all. [/quote:22e897df88] Am in the midst of reading the entirety of this fascinating thread... but I would like to comment on this excellent analogy. Could it be that what we need are DMT "heroes" to rise up and kick ass for humanity? Show those evil presences not to mess with us. Maybe that's easier said than done, but maybe we need to figure that out. Why should we just give up on DMT? That seems to be your conclusion. Let's use it to our benefit. If that means cleaning up any messes in there, let's figure out how. Personally I have found DMT to be highly angelic and peaceful, but from my experience with psychedelics, I realize it could manifest itself in any form.

Litrium: all SWIM's experiences with entities so far have been positive. Perhaps this is to do with his attitude: he goes in with respect, humility and passivity and treats all other beings he meets as equals. He doesn't judge them on whether or not he finds their appearance beautiful or not... in fact he finds them all beautiful, however bizarre. He shows no prejudice. They at the very least reciprocate, but more often shower him with love. The experiences inspire him to become a better person, and cured the depression that led him to DMT, so hyperspace is doing him nothing but good right now.

Please don't take offence against this suggestion because none is intended: maybe it's your attitude that is causing these negative occurences? SWIM doesn't believe in negative superstition like astral darts or malevolent beings etc, and has never experienced this... perhaps exactly because he doesn't believe in it.

Or maybe SWIM has just been lucky and has it coming. If disturbing stuff starts happening, he'll just stop taking it, because it will no longer be useful to him. He will keep you posted. He's entered hyperspace about 30 times so far. Do some people have these disturbing experiences from the start, or do they only start happening after 50/100/1000 trips?

As for the shamen, one poster has already posted that McKenna DID smoke it with shamen (and another said he did so with a Buddhist monk) so if this is true then your argument is plain wrong. And if there are some shaman who refuse to smoke it, it hasn't yet been proposed that their reasons could be very human ones. I'm not saying these are true reasons, but am merely proposing food for thought... firstly, they consider themselves experts in what they know, but they are not experts in freebase DMT. Often an expert will stick to what they know and warn people against something that they have no 'authority' in, especially when they perceive their lack of authority in that area as a personal threat to their status and beliefs. On a larger scale, this is a bit like how many religions claim to be the right one and denounce others as wrong. Shamen may also want to maintain their traditional ways because there is a perception of authority in tradition (among other less egotistical reasons, of course). I'm not attacking shamen, I'm just saying that they're people too, so these reasons are a possibility if a shaman were to be against freebase DMT.

I'd say looking at a lot of these replies (didn't read them all but I got the hunch) that many peoples opinions are clouded by the respect of the substance. Me too. I know that this drug has not been safety tested to the limit something should be to proclaim it safe. However I also think people are responsible for their own destiny and have to take the good with the bad.

For example I bet a lot of people here smoke cigarettes. No where near as worthwhile as an experience but millions over the world do it, because they enjoy it.

As for violent entities, you will find these on any drug at a high dose. Though they may not be as visually manifested as they are with DMT they are still there. It's just a personification of the chaos your mind is going through. As long as one prepares for the un-preparable they will be ok. Sometimes before consuming a substance I may get a little anxiety about it. When that happens I usually abort, unless I'm with a 100% circle of peopel I trust.

It's also a little dissapointing to see aggression on this forum. It looks a bit out of place.