OK.

For a moment, let's assume that hyperspace entities and beings are real, I mean real, in the sense that they're not figments of our imagination, and that they're inhabiting "those places" regardless if we visit them or not.

In that case, how do we look like to them? Do we still keep looking like we do here on earth? Or are we totally different?

It is maybe impossible to know, but it's still an entertaining question.

I highly doubt they would see us as we see ourselves. If for example as Terence experienced they can form third and fourth dimensional objects through the use of language, then not only are their communicative abilities far beyond our own, but I would hazard a guess that their perceptual abilities are as well. So many aspects of our own being are invisible to us, but may be glaringly obvious to them. For all we know we are ourselves self-transforming machine elves to them due to our constant flood of emotions, thoughts, etc that impact our consciousness which is of course what they would be coming in contact with.

What we perceive as them may very well not be what they perceive themselves as either since we have such a limited sense of what goes on around us due to the way the human brain filters our sensory input. This may seem like a moot point when traveling through hyperspace, but our personal consciousness is molded by how the brain works. So even without the brain necessarily holding the reigns, our consciousness would still be at least predominantly bound by those rules. Thus limiting the scope of what we can possibly perceive and experience.

I have an idea that we, as humans, are conscious entities. Because we are consciousness experiencing itself through this vehicle, what if, we are capable if altering, transporting or rising the conscious frequency which then enables you to transfer your consciousness into another being and experience what that being is experiencing in that moment. Meaning you cannot penetrate their consciousness, but you can experience another physical body via a conscious outlet. I've for example, experienced being a mantas being whom was more than happily welcomed back to his home. It was as if I was consciousness who'd been placed in the human body to then learn and bring my knowledge back to this mantis world to evolve my own consciousness. However I feel the starseed idea can be a bit risky when it comes to reptilian overlords and what not so I prefer the spirit animals and we make up our experience via conscious awareness which gives us the infinite choice in terms of how we act

I would twist the words of Terence and say the entities "dont know jack shit" about my real mortal life. Maybe in time they get to know you, but in the beginning not at all.


I prove that as fact someday

Interesting. I also would think that. But it is amazing that some of them remember you from before, and saying things like: "welcome back", "we're so happy to see you again", "you come here so rarely".

If concept of "afterlife judgment" is real, like that which ancient Egyptians described, than I would believe that some totally different type of entity is conducting it.

I have to agree with fractaloctopus. We will not appear to them the same as we appear to ourselves here on earth. When we are travelling, we are travelling as pure beings of energy. The body is something of this dimension. The fun thing about energy is that it's formable. We can change our forms, just by focusing. Or, as Terence advocated, by language. Because words also carry a certain energy, and with the right combination of the right words, you are of course able to form new energies or energy patterns. This is ancient universal knowledge. The machine-elves didn't do anything special, they are just playing with energy. We also do that, all the time, without recognising mostly. So be thoughtful about what you say, because it can have great influence on your life.
But how we appear to someone/something else totally doesn't matter (! Haha). I believe they are not as much seeing us, as they are more sensing, feeling us. When encountering spirits, you are connecting. You don't have a conversation with words, you have an exchange on the soul level. An exchange of experiences. An exchange of being. For a fraction of time that may seem an eternity you are one. This makes encounters so overwhelming, because we are simply not used to it (anymore).
To me it's not interesting what those beings look like, it's what they are, what they are experiencing or what they have experienced that fascinates me. And that's maybe also what may fascinate them about us. We are both given the opportunity to learn from eachother, to evolve and expand. I personally don't believe in the starseed theory, in my eyes it's just a creation of the imagination to boost the ego. You are who you are, you don't belong to a specific place in the universe. You belong to the whole universe, and you are free to go anywhere you want, experiencing anything you choose to.

How do we define "real" and "figment of our imagination". What if they're the same thing, or two sides of a dualistic coin creating a whole? You ask a great question, but considering our limited frame of reference I doubt anyone could answer it satisfactorily.

If trips are like dreams and dreams are ideas then what makes an idea a reality, where's the threshold which solidifies the thought and actualises it? Maybe there is no threshold except our ability to see what's already there. Do we have ideas or do we just recognise a possibility that always was?

What if these entities just see one of their own channeling our energy and our energy has to be taught how to play on their field.

Since we're in our own heads I have to ask who's saying "welcome back" and "we're so happy to see you again"

If we could absolutely erase the personal memory of having had any trips or met any entities, would there be any "welcome back" even though we've already been. Perhaps their expression of "welcome back" is dependent on our knowing that we've already been so that a going back can be possible. Would they still say welcome back?

Expressions like "us" and "we" directed at the tripper could be the tripper externalising his own expression in a schizophrenic kind of way and turning that back on themself as a form of self reflection.

I guess that might mean that consciousness itself is the fractal rather than reality being the fractal. Maybe consciousness and reality are the same thing and I'm only gibbering confused hogwash and twaddle. IDK but it's fun to think about... and I'm still no wiser

Someday when DMT is legalized, I want to do large studies on the nature of hyperspace, where many volunteers will take DMT then report on the experience, possibly at the same time to examine if there is cross-talk between people. The idea would be to look for emergent patterns in the experiences that people to have to see if there is something non-random at work.

I'm still not convinced that there is an external component of hyperspace, but that would seem to be the case if I were to trust my own experiences on DMT. The phenomenon of entity contact is truly bizarre and mostly unexplainable, especially the regularity of the experiences that occur.

Hellow fellow trippers!
I had a realy interesting and powerful experience with the entitys last weekend. Now please understand its going to be rather difficult to explain because it was happening in well..hyperspace,and also it was happening on more than one level of consciousness simultaneously, at first I wasnt even going to try to tell anyone about this...it just seened like a story I would have a hard time swallowing if I haddent lived it. Again, Im not saying my conclusions ars true for anyone but me , I do hope someone can relate or atleast enjoy.
So,,,it was my 3rd breakthrough of a nice afternoon hanging with my indoor garden and working on my artwork in between. Ive met diferent entitys at diferent trips,but i had seen this type befor,they appear to me as pure living energy,sort of in the shape of deepsea creatures but morphing and reacting to me and my consciousness, at times they comunicated( telepathically I gess is the only way to say it) as I opened my mind/ heart/ being more to there presence they became more beautiful,active,intense! It was this amazing cross dimentional exchange...pure bliss. As i got deeper and deeper in I reached out to one and they reached for me at the same moment,it was an act of pure will,not so much reaching with my arms( I very well may have been hugging myself,not sure)
At the moment of contact a knowlege and increadable feeling of joining not just with one but manny of these light energy beings hit me instantly,I could feel our consciousness join and hear there thoughts. All at once I understood that we( I ) meaning Me and the entitys were one and the same,they are us but on our other( origina dimentional plane. They experience life threw our bodys, I was there with them befor I was born into this form. They are pure consciousness energy without flesh. My personality,the Psykinetic that my parents,friends,loves have known is kinda just a symptom...and accedent of the combination of this pure eternal consciousness melding and meshing with my human body. I know this sounds dark and crazy but it was beautiful and even if I am just a byproduct of an eternal entity wanting to experience finite life...so what! I think it makes our fragil existence all the more beautiful and magickal. I had this sudden knowing. ..an "ahhhHaa moment so deep and heavy,crushing but freeing and wonderful,they were absorbing my experience and life and I clearly heard one of them communicate" he understands"...." hu..always ghe last to know" it was at that millisecond that I knew In some unexplainable way...Im them,they are us...all one. Separated by some dementional border,we forget what we are when we push into life...but we exist without it as well,not like I had gessed...but the conscious is beyond the flesh,of that I have no doubt. By the time the dead brain is rotting to compost,the energetic self nay be communing with DMT trippers or pushing into flesh again,willing a seed to take root,or a cell to divide.
My Friends Im in no way saying that what I experienced is the only anything. Personaly I believe that there are infinite dementions and diferent entitys have shown me diferent worlds and parts of my existence. I had to tell this story as it happened and as I felt it, I never have befor or since( on any and many diferent hallucinogens) had any experience quite like it.
To say this trip Blew my mind is reay putting it lightly. Im not trying to say its " true" for anyone but myself .All I have is the increadibly clear memory of that moment of contact and oneness...the immediate transfer of knowledge and that voice....the voice was so cool,not quite human but feminine...
I hope Im blessed to go back to this space,and Ill be sure to fill you all in if and when I do.
Thanks for reading and I know im no writer but I hope some of the imposible bliss got threw.
Light and love
Your fellow Poison Path practitioner

Hey Psykinetic, I have had a similar experience on LSA (morning glory seeds). It was not visual, so I could not see the entities. But I got the feeling that I belonged in that outer dimension, and was merely living life as a human for a time to experience it.

I also got the sense that I had multiple lives on earth, possibly simultaneously. It was a wonderful "absorption of knowledge" like you put it. Thanks for sharing.

Tough enough even to know what an animal perceives subjectively. And they at least share 3d physicality with us.

Hyperspacial perceptions? Where to even start to guess...

Hypercubes?

I am not one bit sheepish admitting that i believe the entities to be more than just my imagination. I have had several other trips on many various psychedelics, and none of them has given me the profound feeling of something else being present like DMT doea
Now, im not saying that everything that happens to me in hyperspace is real, but when i am confronted by or accompanied with entities, and there are thousands of other people who see and describe the same ones i see, then i have an issue denying the validity of their existence.
I believe DMT to be a tool that permits humans to view alternate dimensions. I have travelled, and came back charged with static electricity, i have also opened my eyes and still seen a glimpse of something fleeting.
There are creatures that only see in 2D. So those creatures do not see exactly what humans see, and if tgey did, suddenly, and could speak about it, well i think it would be just as magical to them as hyperspace is for us. DMT allows us to see what we normally cannot. Thats just my opinion. Call me crazy, but i for one am a believer.
They are a reality to me, and its a great thing to believe.

Nope, you're not sheepish for taking one position and believing in one of possibilities. Sincerely, no one knows anything about this, so...those who claim that they're not external and real might be sheepish too. Everyone's opinion and belief is respected.

I honestly didnt mean that in a rude manner. I apologize if there was offense taken. I just meant that I am happy to believe what I do believe about the entities. I wasn't claiming to be right, and I wasn't ignoring the other possibilities. I hope I didnt come off arrogant or rude, honestly I was very, very tired from a 15 hour day at work, and was just inspired by the post, and that;s what spilled out.

Again, apologies if that felt self righteous, fanatical, or naive...

sincerely.

H.N.

There's absolutely nothing to apologize for, and your post wasn't offensive. ^_^

I look like however I choose...

Sometimes a golden glow in the Zazaen stance meditating, other times nothing at all. Lucid hyperspace? I don't know what to call it lol. But its hard to describe just like everything else in hyperspace lol but I choose whatever form I want, sometimes nothing at all and just observe. CHOOSE something/nothing lol. First time I meditated into hyperspace I used my zen meditation for this after I hit my good stuff, and it was an instant wham to another place. But saw myself being observed by entities, like they were fascinated by my presence, weird stuff but very cool.

Namaste,
---dls---

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There's absolutely nothing to apologize for, and your post wasn't offensive. ^_^[/quote]


thanks, for some odd reason I read that comment as if it sounded like I annoyed you somehow-) Probably my own, introspective, weird, agoraphobic paranoia....

...and now that I look, I must have just been worn the F out from a long ass day at work. Something about getting the non stop criticism of higher ups that make you feel a bit under attack, even when your clocked out -) My bad, and thanks for letting me know.