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Would it be safe in regards to purity of product to use a plastic funnel and pippet to transfer a (vinegar) acidic solution, and same question for use with Naphtha.
Also, How much Naphtha should one use for extracting 500g of acacia root bark for an expected yeild of 7-12 grams. How many ml per pull? How many pulls? What temp of solvent?
Much appreciated.
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I am not sure. I myself prefer glass equipment.
Most plastic equipment you will find on the market contains plasticity additives which are aimed to increase durability and elasticity. They are not particulary resistant to the solvents you might be using and small amounts of it may become part of the final product by either ruining quality and stability aswell as being smoked by the consumer. They can be very toxic for your health. High density polyethylene, hdpe for short, is a plastic which is resistant to solvents but talkin about cost-efficency, i would just stick with classic glass, you cannot mess that up.
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Justkeepcalm wrote:Would it be safe in regards to purity of product to use a plastic funnel and pippet to transfer a (vinegar) acidic solution, and same question for use with Naphtha.
Also, How much Naphtha should one use for extracting 500g of acacia root bark for an expected yeild of 7-12 grams. How many ml per pull? How many pulls? What temp of solvent?
Much appreciated. Plastic can & typically will dissolve into naphtha and contaminate your product. Not to mention that it will form a soap if sucked into the actual baster & you'll have a helluva time keeping the bulb on the end. Best to use glass or decant if that isn't possible. You can do it, but it will definitely add plastic to your final yield. The vinegar solution shouldn't matter much though. Run your pulls with 50-100mL nahptha. Keep I'm mind it's dependent on amount of solution, not root bark. Just pull until there's no more coming out, via freeze precip. After that point run pulls and full evap the solvent until, once again, there's no precip after evap. Just pull at room temp, warmed naphtha will pull more NMT, and more fats. Unless you defat prior to basifying. Which I would advise for ACRB unless you want the goop. Enjoy The Rocky Mountain Sky
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I use plastic pipettes all the time and I've never had a problem as there're solvent resistant !
Also I'd use 75-100ml for that amount !!
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Earthwalker wrote:I use plastic pipettes all the time and I've never had a problem as there're solvent resistant !
Also I'd use 75-100ml for that amount !! He never said he had solvent resistant ones xD ... I am assuming he does not ;/, going with glass is still safer
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[/quote] Just pull at room temp, warmed naphtha will pull more NMT, and more fats. Unless you defat prior to basifying. Which I would advise for ACRB unless you want the goop.[/quote]
I disagree it think the goop comes down to the extraction and bark quality , and back salting is a lot better then the defat after acidifying !
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death-coder wrote:Earthwalker wrote:I use plastic pipettes all the time and I've never had a problem as there're solvent resistant !
Also I'd use 75-100ml for that amount !! He never said he had solvent resistant ones xD ... I am assuming he does not ;/, going with glass is still safer I agree glass is the only way to go but if not go with what's available !
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a triple re-x trumps salting, unless your goal is to end up with salts anyway. and plastic pipettes I'd definitely avoid; just because polypropylene is marketed as "chem-resistant", doesn't mean you won't get trace amounts in your product. it would certainly affect recrystallization. "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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Earthwalker wrote:Quote: Just pull at room temp, warmed naphtha will pull more NMT, and more fats. Unless you defat prior to basifying. Which I would advise for ACRB unless you want the goop.
I disagree it think the goop comes down to the extraction and bark quality , and back salting is a lot better then the defat after acidifying ! The goop is from plant fats and NMT. NMT has a waxy/oily consistency. Acacia confusa's alkaloid profile is 45%:55% NMT:n,n-DMT typically. And it's got quite an affinity for naphtha as well. Enjoy The Rocky Mountain Sky
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Justkeepcalm wrote:Would it be safe in regards to purity of product to use a plastic funnel and pippet to transfer a (vinegar) acidic solution, and same question for use with Naphtha.
Also, How much Naphtha should one use for extracting 500g of acacia root bark for an expected yeild of 7-12 grams. How many ml per pull? How many pulls? What temp of solvent?
Much appreciated. Vinegar, yes. Naphtha, no. Glass is almost always your best bet. I never use more than 100mL NPS per pull, normally more like 50mL, regardless of the amount of bark being extracted. Several small pulls will always be more effective than a couple of large pulls. Less is more. I wouldn't "expect" a yield of 7-12 grams, if I were you. Alkaloid content may vary, but 1% DMT content seems to be pretty typical of Acacia confusa. Keep pulling until you are no longer yielding anything, then pull a couple more times. I use a warm (not hot) water bath when doing NPS pulls. Tap water on the "hot" setting has always worked very well for me. The only time I have ever yielded DMT/NMT "goo" when working with Acacia confusa was when I used hot water rather than warm water, but your mileage may vary. All of these questions have been asked and answered many times on the forum. Please do your own research, use the search function, and browse through old threads before posting a new thread to ask basic questions. The Nexus encourages people to seek out and find their own answers whenever possible, rather than expecting others to hand them out.
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Thank you for the replies,
I have chosen a A/B extraction with acacia in mind to avoid the nmt-dmt goo. But why exactly is A/B more pure of an extraction. Is it just because it provides More purification opportunities, or because a long acid cook is preferable to a short basic one.
I figure if I were to include a defat and a non polar basic wash to a A/B extraction I should yield crystals instead of the goo.
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Justkeepcalm wrote:Thank you for the replies,
I have chosen a A/B extraction with acacia in mind to avoid the nmt-dmt goo. But why exactly is A/B more pure of an extraction. Is it just because it provides More purification opportunities, or because a long acid cook is preferable to a short basic one.
I figure if I were to include a defat and a non polar basic wash to a A/B extraction I should yield crystals instead of the goo. Acid boils are totally unessasery ! Check this out https://www.dmt-nexus.me...;t=58064&find=unread
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