Good to see swiy hasn't given up either. Thought I'd risk getting banned to get you some info; I still can't pm yet.

I've noticed that most of the newest extraction methods out there are involving little to no heat. Some even require solvents to be chilled then used with extremely short extraction times to avoid the solvent warming. I think 69ron's STB extraction will be the next path. The only thing that crosses my mind is why extract at all? Swim didn't get sick from the raw powder in gel caps and he is not sure if he even wants to strip the cacti of its other alkaloids. Maybe just to see what pure mescaline is like. The only other problem I could see is if swim does come across cacti that is 5%, a 10g dose will equate to 500mg of mescaline. The road might be a hell of a lot harder than before.

So sorry to hear about your results. A simple process I use to make tea is to slice 1.5-2" lengths, put them in a bowl and freeze, thaw, freeze again, then place in a pot for boiling. I seperate the water from the plant material, reduce and drink the water which should contain the goodies. I LOVE this molecule. My 1st experience: I was gifted 8-9 buttons, which I made into a milkshake hairs and all and felt NOTHING. 12 hours earlier I had been exposed to a healthy dose of LSD and probably should have waited before consuming the buttons. The next time I had 3.5 grammes of crystal mescaline which tasted very similar/identical to the buttons. A couple friends complained when they split a gram that it was the equivalent of 50 mics or a half dose of LSD. I LOVED it. So mellow, that it's like everything slows down and one feels centered. For me subjectively the very definition of entheogenisis.
I went to a LARGE NATIONAL hardware chain to get a can of something and checked out the plant section. I am including a photo of one of 2 plants that I got. They come in pairs for $20. I am new so please forgive me if I do this wrong but I can only describe the place I obtained them by saying they are Home Depots main national competitor. The tip top 3" should be placed in a cool dry area with very low light for 2 weeks. The bottom will harden, and after it is planted will develop roots. Takes awhile but this is one of the fastest growing cacti and within 12-14 months should be as large as the original.
Based on what I read here if I was going to order anything I would order "archuna" something like that. I plan on ordering some hawaiin baby woodrose seeds and combining the extract of 2 seeds with about 10-12" of corporate bought San Pedro. Back in the day alot of folks who dipped their own sheets of LSD would wait a week before passing it out. Earlier than that it would be too clean to feel. For me pure organic mescaline feels similar to that too clean for public consumption LSD.
I hope something in this is useful to someone. Sorry if I sourced incorrectly but I was happy to find some San Pedro competively priced with no fossil fuels used in shipping. One measure 10.5" the other 12". This is after 3-4 weeks in the Pacific Northwest sunshine. Please keep the source on the Down-Lowe. They get em in every Spring.

HippingTrippY, very nice babies (or teenagers) but did you check their potency ? Cause if your only goal is mescaline, you could be very disappointed as lot of SP (like PC pachanoi) have a very low (even nothing) content of it.
Anyway, if you like to grow plants, those are gorgeous.

I just ordered some seeds (SP and PT, didn't find T. bridgestii), so in few years, if i'm lucky, i will have the same .

Why ? I see different things :
- Being able to dose accurately (if your extract is quite pure). As you said, if you're lucky enough to get a 5% cactus it could lead to a surprising experience. Bad or good, everything is possible but i prefer to choose if i dip my toe, my leg or my whole world.
- To determine the potency of a batch
- Experience pure mescaline instead of full spectrum alkaloids. Some more experienced fellows prefer that way.
- Preserve my disgestive system from trouble (nausea, diarrhea, et cetera). Even if after i ate 42g of raw cactus powder the nausea was minimal (kinder garden nausea compared to harmalas).
- Last but not least, have fun ! Cause extractions are a good entertainment for me. Frustating when the result is nil but at least i had some fun before.



What newest extraction methods are you talking about ? Even if i don't think heat is a problem with mescaline. It's more about the starting material IMO (which is a newbie's opinion).

3.5 grams of crystal mescalinge should have been more than enough for 6-10 people, was it a white crystalline product? if so i wonder what you got!?

pc pach, low strength cacti btw. great grafting stock though

Swim tested the new 1/4 lbs batch of torch and found it to be active. He ingested 16g in gel caps and estimates the mesc content to be around 1%. However the cacti took 3 hours to kick in yet again even though the dose was consumed all at once. How long did the "dough balls" take to kick it Dans?


Older Salvia extraction methods never used chilled acetone. THC extraction was carried out using soxhlet devices as most plant extractions were. Butane is now common for THC extraction which is carried out at subzero temps. Got mild frostbite once lol. Then there's the old https://www.erowid.org/p...i/cacti_chemistry2.shtml which swim used for his last three extractions. His fourth was a hybrid kash a/b method. Swim recorded a strange reaction during the water acid phase which he believes to be a sign that plenty of mesc was extracted from the cacti. Unfortunately in the final phase no reaction took place during the failed extractions. Either heat or poor mixing resulted in the loss of actives.

But back to raw cacti. Swim is not sure why it takes so long to kick in. Maybe the body has to digest the powder before the goodies can affect the body, which leads to another concern. I've heard that mesc cannot be absorbed through the intestines. If the body is taking 3 hours to digest the cacti, how much mesc is passing into the gi tract and not being absorbed at all?

I started to feel it after 2 hours and the pic was at 3 or 4 hours and i could sleep ~12h after ingestion which is "normal" from what i read, isn't it ?




Those tek are not A/B extractions and i think the cold is to not get too much unwanted stuff like chlorophyll and have a pretty pure product. I could be wrong, specialy about salviatorin as i have no experience with this molecule. And, i repeat, i don't think mescaline is heat sensitive as dg (and others) told. I seems to be a pretty stable molecule which is good for us.




Of course taking pure X-tals will speed up the coming up compared to raw material but i think mescaline is absorbed via gi tract, some people like to plug it !

Good point. I failed to notice those are for polar extraction not alkaloid extraction. And you're right it's not so much because the psychoactive are heat sensitive but more because unwanted substances will hitch a ride. I also had no idea people "plug" cacti but I guess its a good way to get around nausea and foul taste lol.
Swim has changed his mind about extraction after the last test because of the long waiting period and the inaccuracy of dosing. Swim enjoyed the trip but would have liked to go deeper than 160mg. Its hard to do that when estimating mesc content. So my next question goes to Dg. What type of cacti extraction do you find favorable? And Dans would swiy attemp another a/b tec?

I also have a shot of my cacti. I put them in the ground about a month ago and they got a little cooked. Do they look like the pc clone? And how can you tell?

Here's a link to an informative thread to ID PC:

http://sharetheseeds.me/...m/index.php?topic=1497.0

Great link Continuum. Unfortunately its looking like these guys are indeed pc. Guess that's why swim's extractions have failed the passed two times. Its strange because the harvested material is incredibly bitter and there was a clear reaction taking place during the tea phase. Swim will probably do the gel cap test just to be sure. At any rate its time to get a true San Pedro.

Might I suggest a Bridgesii instead of a San Pedro? There are certainly true pachanoi out there, but you'll have better luck locating consistently potent bridge.

Suggestion noted. I just picked up a few 24" inch sections of Bridgesii and Peruvianus from the net. I had trouble finding any true Pachanoi which is interesting to me. Not one sp had the "true" characteristics and those cacti that did have these features were listed as Peruvianus. Could the true sp have been mistaken as torch? Many accounts state that torch is stronger than perdo which leads me to believe maybe the pc clone is pedro. And the "true" Pachanoi is torch. There generally is not drastic difference in in plant structure within one given genus. Either way I'll soon have an awesome cactus collection.

Spine length is very different between peruvianus and pachanoi.
Pachanoi has short spines, usually longer than on PC but not drastically so. Peruvianus (as well as macrogonus, cuzcoensis, and of course bridgesii) have long spines. The 'short spine peruvianus' is a misnomer and is usually applied to pachanois- like the huancabamba pachanoi that for a time was called a short spine peru. (Spine length notably less than a PC is a good indicator for T. scopulicola)
The net is full of reports that say peruvianus is the hottest shit out there, rivaling peyote, because thats the myth that was promulgated by 'Legal Highs' type books in the 90's. Fantastical claims sells books. Its not supported by the balance of the literature. Since somewhere in the early 2000's one source has distributed lots of consistently potent cactus material marketed as peruvianus seemingly adding renewed validity to the old myth of peruvianoid potency. However the material in question was expertly processed and dried outer skins of cacti, which after they were finally investigated were identified as T. macrogonus!
Thats not to say there arent potent peruvianoids, there clearly are.
There are also wicked potent pachanois (and in the scientific literature the most potent trichs were pachanois)

If I had to restart my collection from scratch and I wanted the best chances of having the best cacti I would do a few simple things. I'd buy an arm load of 12" bridgesii logs and plant them. I'd try to get named clones of established potency regardless of their species designation (contrary to rumor, simply being named isnt proof of potency) and I would buy two batches of seed- one big T. bridgesii packet, and an assortment of packets of hybrid seeds made from known potent parents. I'd also make friends with growers because when someone gets two awesome cacti to do the slap and tickle theyre usually willing and even eager to share the resultant seeds with their mates.

i did the same thing the one time i was able to actually get a trip off of san pedro @ dancing on bed. the bed sheets felt really good so i just kinda squirmed around in a dreamy state. pretty lovely.

Was the offending cactus dried torch chips by any chance ?

previously :

1 extraction fail (dud cactus)
1 light trip (guestimate @ 150mg) with raw PT powder


New episode :

I received my SP & PT seeds :

So far i have 45 seedling -so cute- from 80 seeds (not so bad, no ?). Of course, i messed up when i labeled them, so now i don't know who is who cause i don't see any difference between them.
They are ~2 weeks old, when do i start to expose them to the sun ?
One looks like an albinos, i guess it's gonna die because no chorophyll and i have nothing to graft on it (and no experience with graft). Any idea ?


Finally, i managed to extract mescaline (whoop whoop !) :

- From a mix of 135g SP and PT powder i got 400mg mescaline tinged with orange using Kash's extraction. Yield 0,3%, not very good but it made me happy after the first fail.

- From 420g of T. Bridgestii dried chips i got 1,4g tan mescaline still with Kash's tek. So far, yield 0,33% but i'm still working on it. I kept the chips whole so after the extraction i decided to freeze&taw few time and process a new extraction to see if i can get more and raise my yield which is a bit disappointing. The chips didn't look very nice, the green part is very small compared to the very thick outer callous skin. Could be from a very old specimen or a sick one IMO.


A trip not trippy :

400mg orangish mescaline from SP&PT mix.
~18h: 200mg in a parachute and 200mg same way 15min later.
~19h: took my kayak on the pond, paddle through the mangrove (i felt like indiana jones) to reach the sea and go on an islet.
~20h: start to set up a spot, pick up some floated wood, build a fire. I didn't realized the come up because i was busy but it was definitly stimulating.
~21h: the fire, a light breeze, a shinning moon (with a huge halo !), me standing on an headland in front of the open sea with waves crashing (my home surf spot) and some classic music in my headphones = whooooaaaa ! Walking around picking more wood, exploring and scaring thousands of hermit crabs (weird)
~23h: Still on it but it started to fade. Puff on some weed in MFLB, eat some dried banana with chocolate&almonds. Few puff on a very light enhanced leaves (mostly red jungle) gave me light CEV. At this time, i was more dreamy than stimulated
~24h: return to my home. I thought it will be tiring but it was easy and calm.
~1h to 3h: dreamy state, vaping weed
~3h30: time to sleep. Easily
~day after: hangover mostly due to lack of sleep
~today: back to normal

Even if i took 2 or 3 time more mescaline, the duration was shorter (6pm to 3am) than my first attemp (6pm to 6am). I guess it's because x-tals are directly available instead being extracted by digestion but i was expecting something longer, 12h at least and not 6h like it was. My bad, i forgot to take, as planed, a thermos of coffee to boost the mescaline.
I tought effects will be stronger with 400mg. It was quite pure mescaline HCl cleaned with cold aceton. Is the fact i didn't fast enough (last meal 5h before) or the fact i ate some sugar during the trip (i read, after, sugar is to avoid with mescaline. Is it true ?) could explain that. or i shouldn't purify the mescaline from the other alkaloids ?
I know visuals are not the main thing with mescaline and i noticed nothing exept when i went
back home, the computer screen was "different". If i up the dose, can i expect some, and with how much ?


I have to explore this world deeper, next time i will try 600 or 700mg. Not too soon to be sure to not build up tolerance. Is 3 weeks are enough or more is needed?


see you folks

Me ? Yes it was with Peruvian torch powder.

Dimitrimartian's trip was with San Pedro



Let's open a nightclub with a dancefloor made of beds with lots of different sheets, satin, coton, whool, .... It will be : La cama del mescalito

lol that's an awesome idea. Congrats on your success!
Swim noticed with his first (and only successful) extraction that the time line mimicked that of mushrooms. With the xtals it was 2 hrs to start, 4 hrs gone then fading for the last 2; 8 hrs total. The raw cactus sent him in 3 hrs with 5 hrs of journeying then 3 hrs of settling with 1 final hr just an overall sleeplessness; 12hrs total. The xtals were definitely a shorter trip.

I would consume 200 mg of the bridgesii extract just to be on the safe side. You can always take another dose later. I'm pretty sure there are some impurities in your pt/sp extract because 400 mg should have been a bit of a challenge. Swim took 200 mg of sp extract and watched many items melt and change size. The bridgesii could be a much more pure extract. You should always start low with a new extract until you can estimate its purity. Fortunately you have 1.4 g to work with. Very nice.

As for the fasting, swim never eats the day of the trip. His breakfast consists of cactus. Lol. But swim thinks a large meal before bed the day before can also dull the trip. I've read of Shaman in the Andes eating fruit during the trip with no ill effects but this is way different than consuming high fructose corn syrup in the form of soda.

As for tolerance no one seems to build a tolerance to mesc. Many Andean Shaman will consume sp 3 days in a row during crisis healing ceremonies. However, many LSD and X users report mesc will not work for weeks after consuming these drugs.

You can start to expose the babies to more light but remember they are not like other cactus. These guys prefer shading from the noon sun and enjoy lots of water. My cacti are slightly yellow on the south side of the columns due to too much sun.

Oh yeah, there is a mescaline tolerance (and the cross tolerance you mentioned, with LSD and MDMA), my research led me to several testimonies in that regard. Like a guy who took 600mg each time 3 days in a row and the result was : Day 1: 100% effects, Day 2: 20%, Day 3: 5%.

I read to wait at least 1 week after a trip but 2 weeks are better, so with 3 weeks, i should be on the safe side.

It does have a long tolerance period, but 2 or even 3 weeks sounds like an unnecessarily long wait. It's true that 1-4 days is too early, but have you tried after one week? Most of it should be out of your system by then. See the below: