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AthanDur
#1 Posted : 7/29/2014 3:23:37 PM
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Hello nexians, I hope you are well. If you want some context here's a link to my introductory essay, but it isn't necessary.

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=58008

I have been coming to understand Buddhism more and more over the past months through reading and meditation. The learning process has been enlightening/devastating but so far I cannot seem to understand this concept of singular consciousness. Perhaps it has yet to be explained in a way that I can understand, but taking the concepts of impermanence and non-self into account I don't see how there can exist a singular, permanent consciousness.

Could someone please try to explain this concept?

Thank you for any insight, I wish you well on your journey and day.
 

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#2 Posted : 7/29/2014 4:28:48 PM
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You might find this thread interesting.

Some other things you might want to research are the Hindu concept of Brahman (especially the advaita vedanta interpretation of the word) as well as cosmic consciousness.

I wish I could give give you a better answer, but this is a complex subject and hopefully someone with more time and more eloquent than myself can help you out further.

You might enjoy this short video as well.
 
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#3 Posted : 7/29/2014 7:06:45 PM
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Thank you, I'll look at both of those things Smile
 
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#4 Posted : 7/29/2014 11:29:35 PM

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Can one explain consciousness?

How about love?

Or a DMT/Salvia trip?





 
AthanDur
#5 Posted : 7/30/2014 12:28:54 AM
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No, not in any meaningful sense, you are right. I more mean the argument made in support of collective consciousness on a base of Buddhism.
 
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#6 Posted : 7/30/2014 1:45:51 AM

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Bah! Arguments are for the ego.Big grin



 
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#7 Posted : 7/30/2014 4:15:01 AM

yes


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Bah! Arguments are for the ego.Big grin





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illusions !, there are no illusions
there is only that which is the truth
 
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#8 Posted : 7/30/2014 5:14:12 AM

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A good analogy is the shapeshifters in Star Trek Deep Space Nine. They all come from a singular 'sea' of material conciousness.
Now think of this sea as pure conciousness not 'material' conciousness and that the 'essence' of us comes from this sea and is expressed within many different forms throughout the material uni/multiverse.
Thats how I see it anyway.
 
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#9 Posted : 7/30/2014 6:33:52 PM
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No intention in hijacking the thread, but my own interpretation can be seen here:https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=57802

The Quesadilla Theory:

Let's say you're craving a fresh homemade cheese quesadilla. For this explanation Im going to exclude the tortillas, as they are not pertinent to the story. Otherwise, you will need a few things to get started. The following elements all represent one of two things: Physical reality or Consciousness:

- A cheese grater
- A plate to collect the cheese
- You, to grate the cheese
- The block of cheese itself


Let's say that physical reality is represented solely by the plate. Any cheese that is on the plate is in the real of the real, or what we see/hear/smell/touch in our day-to-day fleshly lives. Everything else--the cheese, the grater, your arms holding the grater, the air around the cheese as you grate--is part of the non visual spiritual realm.

Flesh)You begin grating the cheese onto the plate. Slowly but surely the cheese starts piling up in a "pyramid" shape. The cheese that hits the plate represents our consciousness as it leaves the spirit realm and lives in the physical world as living creatures.

Free) The more you grate the cheese, the taller the pile gets. Eventually some of the cheese may roll off the plate and fall onto the table. This cheese that falls onto the table represents Christ-like figures throughout history. They are touched by a divine element, and are host to manifestations that the mortal world calls "miracles".

- Jesus Christ
- Horus
- Buddha
- Attis of Phrygia
- Krishna
- Odysseus
etc...


Teachers)Some of the cheese you grate may end up stuck between realms, dangling half on the plate and half off the plate. The cheese that sits in both realms represent figures that are meant to act as mediums between the realms. They take the teachings of the divine Free and translate it into a language that the Flesh can understand. We'll talk more about this later.

- The Twelve Apostles
- Disciples of Jesus
- Prophets of Islam
- Hindu Rishis
etc...


As you're grating the cheese, you (the universe) may decide to grab a handful of cheese as a snack. You reach down and pluck an arbitrary size of grated cheese & put it into your mouth. The act of picking up the cheese represents events in physical history in which mass amounts of living creatures are taken back at one time.

- Vesuvius
- Atlantis
- A war in history
- 9/11
- Oklahoma City Bombing
- London Bombing
etc...


The act of putting the cheese in your mouth represents the moment in which the spirit leaves the physical realm and re-enters the spiritual realm, beginning the journey of rebirth. Upon reentry to the non-flesh realm, you could return as Flesh, Free or Teacher. I have not been told if there is any method to how these are chosen, but Im hoping I will be told eventually.

Coming back to the Teacher, and more-so religion. Think of worldly religion as any version of flavored coffee:

- French Vanilla
- Italian
- Cinnamon
- Dark Roast
- Decaf
etc...


Each flavor is a different religion: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism. Before the coffee is crafted into their different flavors, they all start as the same single source bean. The bean the body and spirit of the Free. As the free passes it's knowledge onto the Teachers, some information may be lost. The Teachers are after all still half Flesh.

As the Teachers take the knowledge of the Free and pass it onto the Flesh, the divine truth is broken down over time and splits into different sects (religions), further separating itself from the ultimate truth. All flavors (religions) are false, and all religions (flavors) are true. Some however are closer to the truth than others. It is easy to say that Dark Roast is closer to the original source coffee bean than French Vanilla, just as it is easy to say that some religions are closer to the ultimate truth than others.
 
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#10 Posted : 7/30/2014 7:35:16 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU0PYcCsL6o

"But now a great thing in the street
Seems any human nod,
Where shift in strange democracy
The million masks of God"
- G. K. Chesterton

Basically you created all of this illusion to get away from your true self, it's a game of infinite hide and seek brought about by boredom.
 
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#11 Posted : 8/1/2014 5:13:52 PM

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Parabola89 wrote:


Basically you created all of this illusion to get away from your true self, it's a game of infinite hide and seek brought about by boredom.



It's this. Read these words. Listen to them in your head. Because when you experience singular consciousness you will REMEMBER. That feeling of remembrance is the most profound moment of my life. We've all been there. We're all going there. Everyone will remember, eventually.
 
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#12 Posted : 8/1/2014 10:18:29 PM

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Ten thousand things, one suchness. This one suchness has many names, like god, like dou, like braham, but generating the association of "suchness" with a name defeats its point. You can experience this state, but how can you speak of it, words are mere symbols, not a reality. Is a tree a tree? Why is a tree not the sky? Is it not merely an object you see and as a collective we've decided to call it a "tree" using a sound out of our mouths for convenience.

Similarly, your name, your ideas of who you are, how can they be you? They're ideas! You can only experience who you are. When you transcend all the bullshit, and by that i mean, all the conceptions you have of this and that, you can move into a still mind, and in this still mind, you will experience this suchness. This understanding that you are that, and that art thou, but you can only experience it. As soon as you attach to it, think about it, want it… you've removed yourself from that suchness, the one energy that we all share, that we all are. Everything is that, only it defeats the point in saying it.

The journey up the mountain is different for everyone, but the view of the moon is the same.
 
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#13 Posted : 9/3/2014 7:12:46 AM

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AthanDur wrote:
I have been coming to understand Buddhism more and more over the past months through reading and meditation. The learning process has been enlightening/devastating but so far I cannot seem to understand this concept of singular consciousness.

Well, it's really more a case of experience than understanding, my friend. No one can possibly replicate the experience they've had of merging within the unified field of singular consciousness. Words don't capture the essence of the unity of all things, however, there is an amazing experience to be had... although, transient and impermanent said epiphany may in fact, ultimately be.

And sure, it cannot be properly encapsulated with human linguistics, as has been wisely stated within this thread. I honesty feel that it is more than fair to say that while the journey is an individual one, the dynamics are wholly epic and are most universal. Again, we cannot contain the vast and boundless expanse of the totality of the Omniverse, for we fail when we expect the Grand Mystery to be encoded wholly in worded symbolism.

That being said, one can certainly choose to see things in an appearance of sequential unfoldings. What is impermanent may be illusory and it's very reality hinging on the subjectivity of the witness observing the parameters existing within the particular view of the very same, shared field. What it appears to be, or is imagined to be, is mirrored within one's own unique dreamscape, one's own transitory lens of observation.

Ergo, this tremendous sensation of singularity necessitates a freeze in the subject-object dichotomy. Mind must stop differentiation about the diversity and duality of appearances, in allowance for merging in seamless unity and being the same as the other, reflectively (as one's mesmerism of ego-self noisily dreams on and on, ad infinitum). Meanwhile, a Buddha awakens to glean a remembrance of an absolute silence and willingly melts into the interconnection with the immeasurable emptiness. Cool

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Perhaps it has yet to be explained in a way that I can understand, but taking the concepts of impermanence and non-self into account I don't see how there can exist a singular, permanent consciousness.

Great points to query and discuss. As far as non-self or zero-self goes... the dream of individuality is transitory and rather compressed, at that. As we expand our conscious-awareness, we interphase with the Grid, Chrysanthemum or Web of an Indivisible, vortexial fulcrum. Ego-death or stasis of self, occurs to allow for a shift in one's view into things.

All we know is that we are all here NOW. Time marches on and on, change is the only constant... but we are still right here, conscious of having an awareness of being existent. Does it ever really begin and end? Sure, this is simply our relative perspective. Even so, by expanding and broadening this small perspective, we each may arrive at the point of loosing ourselves in the crystalline singularity of the One. "I am" and "I exist" remain, despite no isolation from the fabric of whole. And while our individual dream of separation is a mirage played by viewing reality through our own subjective vistas, laws uphold the balance, even laws we cannot quite yet fully understand. After all, most of our knowledge is drawn from the 5 senses, instinct, deductive reasoning and intuition.

More so, I believe that this present NOW is not just an impermanence in meaningless transition, it is wholly eternal. Meaning, it's very eternality is it's transitory nature, as despite the endless stream of impermanent phenomena, Divine Mind or Buddha Mind, remains aware of existing and being awake... as it plays out the journey on the field of possibility.

This brings about a paradoxical twist in the plot. This very present now has always existed, right here (relative to the specific point it is perceived from) and always will exist, as the same NOW. Only the circumstances and forms fall away from any perceivable reality and/or discernible presence.

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Could someone please try to explain this concept?

IMO, we are each capable of conjoining the internal witness deep within our core of beingness, with the oneness of an awareness of being awakened to a higher reality and this dream of selfhood is not just the dream bubble, an infinitesimally minute flicker of being had by an infinite, mechanical force. In my small experiences, when the degree of attention is focused enough, the interconnectedness of the cosmos is quite self evident. Both, inside and outside of any sense of oneself and another self (or even countess selves). There is this Sacred presence, this higher intelligence immanent, one possessing an innate knowingness. It is everything and remains undefinable. We are all That, too.

In my mind, that is "singular consciousness". I have a penchant for the term "Awakening of the Omniself". Albeit, partially understood from an egoic perspective, which transcends it's fixed boundaries and launches into immersion within the patterning of the interwoven fabric of the Omniversal, the sheerly translucent all pervasiveness of the Unified Field.

The quintessential life is force channeled into the relative phenomenon of self, mirroring both it's own impermanence and illusory nature... yet, still being quite aware of having living consciousness and being acutely hyper-conscious of something wholly symbiotic, awakening from the immense totality of the infinite, to perhaps seek itself outside of itself?

Mayhaps this might indeed facilitate all manifestations, making for the potentiality of an isolated notion of "I am" or "I exist" to blossom from no-thingness? Born anew to spontaneously, rippled across the myriad realms of possibility... said singularity and unity is forever pulsing and oscillating within everything else. Even funneling into the vacuum of the Clear Light of the Void, one eye sees the unity of Spirit.

Yet, all in all, it sometimes seems as if Iso-self (ego), Omniself and Zero-self are three aspects of the very same ineffable, nebulously insubstantial energy... for whatever reason, bleooming and disappearing without any trace. And I feel that This is what pervades the entire knowable cosmos and further into realms beyond our range of perception. That innate singularity interconnects to everything that occurs within the paradigmatic flow of the eternal Tao. Thumbs up


There is no self to which I cling, for I am one with everything.
 
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#14 Posted : 9/3/2014 2:49:12 PM

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Hinduism sums up the idea from all the religions quite nicely, with:

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Atman [individual consciousness] and Brahman [universal consciousness] are one.


Other religions all have similar statements that I could provide if requested. But the point is that the one behind your mask, the one you are wherever you go in your travels, is the same as the one behind my mask.

Now it may not feel this way, but under the influence of enough spiritual technology (e.g., psychs, meditation, etc.) many have proclaimed to feel a state of extreme connectedness with everything/everyone in the universe.

Our egos and biological forms have split us off from each other, and I think we can still lead interesting, fulfilling lives under the separatism. But for those who want to search more, or go deeper into "what we really are" or "where we really came from" would do well to look into this idea.

When I walk down the street in my town I constantly think about how all the other people I see derive their awareness from the same source. This makes me want to love them just as I love my own consciousness. It kind of forces me to allow wisdom, love, and compassion to overtake anger, greed, and ignorance (which are the three poisons stated in Buddhism).
"Think for yourself and question authority." - Leary

"To step out of ideology - it hurts. It's a painful experience. You must force yourself to do it." - Žižek
 
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#15 Posted : 9/3/2014 8:25:59 PM

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Ill do my best at a definition for conciseness,

Conciseness: A word used to describe a living being, being aware in the universe it is in, as well as displaying emotions such as empathy, understanding, and tolerance to others with the understanding that there are other concise beings in the universe it needs to interact with as well.

Def #2: Knowing your alive.

IDK, thought id try my best lol
 
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#16 Posted : 9/4/2014 2:19:33 AM

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I was just reading this poem, Stream of Life, by Rabindranath Tagore and thought it relevant to this thread.

Rabindranath Tagore wrote:
The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs through the world and dances in rhythmic measures.

It is the same life that shoots in joy through the dust of the earth in numberless blades of grass and breaks into tumultuous waves of leaves and flowers.

It is the same life that is rocked in the ocean-cradle of birth and of death, in ebb and in flow.

I feel my limbs are made glorious by the touch of this world of life. And my pride is from the life-throb of ages dancing in my blood this moment.

An interesting discussion between Albert Einstein and Rabindranath Tagore, way back in 1930. Thumbs up

http://www.brainpickings...hen-einstein-met-tagore/



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#17 Posted : 9/13/2014 10:08:23 PM

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the permanent conciousness is what supports you in the now. before you had words there was your conciousness after you forget with old age or whatever there was your conciousness even in deep sleep there is a form of conciousness. that which is for ever now in this momment is the ever present
all words spoken are fictional Pleased
 
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AthanDur wrote:

I have been coming to understand Buddhism more and more over the past months through reading and meditation. The learning process has been enlightening/devastating but so far I cannot seem to understand this concept of singular consciousness. Perhaps it has yet to be explained in a way that I can understand, but taking the concepts of impermanence and non-self into account I don't see how there can exist a singular, permanent consciousness.

Could someone please try to explain this concept?

Thank you for any insight, I wish you well on your journey and day.


(This is specifically in a DMT context, although i also loved exploring these concepts beforehand, there was offered a very direct insight:

The instructions for the journey were to try to lay down with closed eyes! I had found myself in this healthy setting with a good set but fully unexpectedly with regards to being able to receive this medicine!

Some time after the threshhold amount had been integrated, although i had experienced many people in the setting going through their resting and closed eyed journeys, i woke up instead and sat up and had a glossolalia-type integration that i will try to write about in my introduction essay.

During this singing, i found myself looking around at others and there was a definite sense that the illusion of separateness between myself and others was completely removed; it felt very strange but perfect, and, with a degree of playfulness as well. It seemed like the ability to consciously experience this in its magnitude required a deeper state of wakefulness and that state was brought about through the medicine.
Uniquely in this experience there was also the sense of non-self (Some others who end up being awake during different medicine experiences have the momentary "am i alive, because this feels like what it would feel like after that", and, there was the sense of impermanence but it seemed that was what the song was meaning to fill up as much as possible!)

When I later read about Acacia confusa being the Thinking-of-eachother tree, i understood further... that is exactly how it felt... instead of feeling like I was thinking of me or of specific other people with me, it felt that we were all thinking of eachother.


 
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#19 Posted : 9/15/2014 12:10:36 AM

Its a question of perspective...


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The problem here is 'Who am I?'

Ego loves to grab hold of spiritual concepts to strengthen himself.

Unless it is fully realised in the light of self, all these words are just and egoic position, a mental construction.

Mooji, among others, is helping me to realise the truth of our self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2vw6CyCTjU

Namaste xx

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Much Love <3 xx
 
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#20 Posted : 9/15/2014 12:44:37 AM

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Whatis wrote:
The problem here is 'Who am I?'

Ego loves to grab hold of spiritual concepts to strengthen himself.

Unless it is fully realised in the light of self, all these words are just and egoic position, a mental construction.

Mooji, among others, is helping me to realise the truth of our self.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2vw6CyCTjU

Namaste xx

Smile



Mooji is my Guruu too. yes we are the self yes this is the highest understanding but we are vibrational beings also, so there is universal benifit from cultivating the spiritual self
all words spoken are fictional Pleased
 
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