I followed g21g21's LimeTek exactly and got my DMT-acetate tincture.

Before smoking it, I evaporate the excess vinegar slowly on hot plate. This leaves me with a gooey yellowish substance.

At low to moderate doses I have CEVs and alive room with eyes open. A friend of mine had a clear breakthrough smoking my extraction. However when I increase the dosage for myself I feel a terrible burn in my throat and all I can think of is to spit out whatever I smoked. There is no way this is how DMT should taste. I did smoke some tobacco and marihuana before, it is not my first time smoking something. This was like just watching my body trying to get out whatever I smoked on its own. No hallucinations, I was seeing everything from far above like I was very tall (not out-of-body) that is all. I even purged. There was smoke left in the bong that I couldn’t inhale and after everything was clear I realized that the parts of the bong where smoke touched were very dirty. You could clearly see the water level because it was clean and then dark brown above it. A picture of my bong is added AFTER WASHING it.

Dirt doesn't come out. If this dirt sticks to the glass like that, there is no way it is not harmful for the lungs. I actually feel some occasional pain in my lungs. I was smoking low doses almost daily.

Pictures of my smoking setup are added, it is a combination of crack pipe and bong. Pictures of before smoking and after smoking are added as well. You can see the brownish color on the paper I used to cover the hole. It comes from the smoke that touched the paper.

* Initially I was using scrubber instead of the crack pipe, got suspicions of it but no, it wasn't the problem.
* Maybe I was heating the goo too much and burning it? Nope. No matter how slowly I heat it I still get that black residue with dirty smoke.
* Maybe materials I used for extraction were bad? I put d-limonene with vinegar into the crack pipe smoked just that. It left the same +black residue but taste wasn't bad.

So, what do you think this is?

I'm pretty sure neither the crack pipe nor the bong are ideal ways to "smoke" DMT. The way you describe the feeling sounds like burnt DMT to me, but who knows - it might be residues of something else as well. IME if you vaporize DMT - since you don't actually want to smoke it - it's pretty smooth with very little discomfort for the lungs and airways. I can't stand any type of smoke, but DMT never bothered me. The only time it did was when I burnt it and that also always led to very negative trips with strong nausea / strong urge to vomit.

my advice: use a better vaporizing device.

Thanks for the reply Enoon.
So, what do you use?

I see people using or mentioning bong and crack pipe all the time. It may not be ideal but I guess it shouldn't be this bad.

its either the horrible crack pipe burning your Magic or its contaminated.

With a GVG it is smooth and vertually flavourless.

either clean up your Magic or, like Enoon said, get a decent vaping device.

Theres a decent number of threads on here about throat burn (I made one too haha)

I pretty much narrowed down the source of my throat burn, which I always attributed to swallowing hot glass with strep throat, to goo that seemed to significantly hold onto some part of the chemical process.

I follow Cybs tek and use ACRB and my first few times the pain was just unreal. I always use a GVG too, its not a temperature problem, it was a goo problem. Ive since re-x'd my product and the throat burn has been eliminated because my x-tals are now goo free. It really was the most uncomfortable thing Ive ever experienced.

So I know some people say their goo is wonderful, but mine was not and was the source of my issue.

With that method it is very difficult to vaporize without burning something. If you end up with a char you pyrolyzed something. Use a good torch and you can burn that off and end up with a clean bulb again.

Why don't you try freebase? They would work much better than the goo you are using. I also recommend a gvg but with crystals rather than vinegar tincture.

Is it in freebase form or DMT acetate?

Did you do the step labeled, "Freebasing for Smoking"?

~wap~

yeah, there shouldn't be any vinegar to evaporate...

The vinegar evap method of freebasing is dubious and doesnt produce a clean extract, noone has been able to as far as I recall. You would be better off water crystallizing with lye and doing a distilled water wash.

Thanks for all suggestions, greatly appreciated.

I figured it out. The problem is burned DMT for sure, as many of you suggested.

I used Hepthane instead of d-limonene for the extraction and ended up with whitest crystals possible. Instead of the crack pipe, I used metal scrubber like in the Machine, only stuck into the original mouth for the bong. DMT was between 2 layers of scrubber. Dose: 40mg white crystals. Couldn’t smoke it all at once, smoked it a few minutes apart as I gathered enough awareness to hold the lighter, therefore no breakthrough but nice experience overall. Smoking it this way was what made this revaluation possible.

First trial had slight pain in the throat but nothing else. Good experience, nice patterns.
As soon as I was able to do it again, I smoked for the second time with the remaining DMT. It was even smoother this time.

After I was able to hold the lighter again did it for the third time. Still a lot of vapor coming out BUT this time I felt the bad taste immediately. This wasn’t vapor, it must have been smoke of burned DMT, didn’t inhale most of it. This is the same DMT I smoked twice a few minutes ago. Third time I must have burned it badly. No other explanation. Not only the taste, but visuals got bad as well. I was literally seeing this horrible black and ugly taste.

To all newbies; DON’T BURN YOUR DMT. Get a decent vaporizer.

I ordered this one: http://www.davincivapori...nci-portable-vaporizers/
I ordered it right after reading the comments, before becoming this sure about the problem. Not sure how suitable it is. If it doesn’t work well, I will get the GVG.

Thank you all.

DaVinci vaporizer doesn't work for DMT.

The amount of vapor coming out is too little, barely feeling a buzz. Tried several methods. Impossible to take a big hit at once.

I ordered GVG and waiting now.

Dose significantly less than you're accustomed to. 15mg in a GVG is about 30mg with any other smoking apparatus

Thanks HumbleTraveler. That is what I did.

I have only one thing to say to people who don't have a GVG and want to smoke or are already smoking DMT.

"STOP WHAT EVER YOU ARE DOING AND GET A GVG AND A SUITABLE LIGHTER".

Other ways you are wasting DMT at best (and possibly poisoning yourself along the way).

My friend had an out-of-body experience with 20mg in GVG. I had a breakthrough as well with 20mg although not as spectacular as my friend.

It seems like lighter is just as important as GVG. It shouldn't be too weak as this will require several tokens, not the best way to breakthrough. But it shouldn't be too strong either. It is still possible to burn DMT with GVG. Initially I used a workshop kind of torch lighter, it was adjustable yet still too strong and I could feel the burned DMT in my throat. Trying to keep it farther away from the pipe just made it difficult to hold it on the correct spot. I experimented with 4 different lighters until I found a suitable one.

A proper water bong works fine.

What do you think I was doing wrong?

Not that I am looking to use my bong again but I would like to be able to give good advice if a friend has only a bong.

What is a proper bong? Link or picture maybe?

Thanks...

One that has a bowl used for herb. Using the sandwich method, which does work fairly well considering all other methods.

anrchy, thanks, but I know those. My question was meant for "jamie" as he seems to think a bong is fine. There is no way a bong can compete with GVG. It is not that one can't smoke DMT from a bong. But it is not the best way. One can also go from Spain to China on foot but this is not the way to do it. If a bong is a train, GVG is the airplane for smoking DMT.

I smoked tobacco and cannabis from my bong and GVG. I almost got knocked out from tobacco smoked from GVG. I was seeing patterns on the wall using GVG with cannabis, smoking the same amount that I was smoking from my bong. No contest here.

I don't know if there is some technique for smoking DMT from the bong that can compete with GVG. I doubt it as any technique goes out the window as DMT starts taking affect, just when it counts the most.

I want to thank everybody who helped in some way in my DMT journey, including you guys here, because yesterday I had the experience of my life. As I smoked the DMT, there was this asian, nude goddess again whom I met previously a few days ago. She approached me, grabbed my hand and said "Come!" She flied straight up with me, a very fast trip where we stopped in a ball of light. She left me there suspended in the air and when I closed my eyes (they were open up to this point) I saw myself in full lotus position (still flying). I was a shiny golden living Buddha statue. The light ball with its intricate patterns began spinning around me faster and faster until it suddenly started pouring into me. Every single cell of my body was touched by this light and my real body began shaking. That is when I opened my eyes. I was back in my room sitting in my chair and shaking like I was being electrocuted but instead of pain I was shaking from the tremendous amount of bliss. Euphoria was nothing like anything I felt before. Thank you all.

Were you smoking acetates the first time? I don't know if I missed something but from the post that's what I got.

Get clean freebase, vaporize gently in a bong. Beats the GVG in my opinion and I'm none too shy to say it a million times You just have to get a normal lighter, a small flame, a gentle slow steady inward draw, control your lung pressure, and you become the regulator for the flow and temperature of the spice vapour. Draw the heat of the flame in without bending it. It's impossible to do this with a torch lighter. Plus the wide space in a bong allows for expansion and cooling. Done right, you can barely even taste it at all.

Sounds like you have it figured out with that experience in your last post. Reads like a slice of hyperspace if ever there was one

Yes, I started out with acetates but I was evaporating the vinegar before smoking, this is supposed to leave DMT freebase behind. I did smoke white crystalline freebase with the bong as well.

I tried to do what you described but couldn't make it work beyond a certain point. Never had a breakthrough that way. Apparently I need someone to show it to me because I don't seem to get the method by reading it.

Anyway. I did breakthrough eventually. Thank you.

I'm surprised no one mentioned the making of enhanced leaf. Vapes are nice, but it is much more affordable to enhance leaf.



Evaporating vinegar full of DMT will not leave you with DMT freebase but DMT acetate.