I think a medium-low dose might be enjoyable at the right kind of club. Just remember that it's going to keep you up for a lot longer than MDMA would, particularly as you up the dosage - if you take 200mg at 10pm, you're probably not going to sleep for another 8 hours. The length of the experience sort of limits its usefulness as a party drug a bit.

If you're just after a good body high, music enhancement, and social lubrication, I'd suggest starting out in the 100-150mg range and keeping it below 300mg overall to avoid the more overtly psychedelic effects. Higher doses could also be fun, but the ability to interact with non-trippers will decrease.

Try it out and let us know how it goes.

Out of context, this paragraph makes me very nervous

LMAO!!!

I find good cacao to be very MDMA-like at doses of about 25 g+. It contains phenylethylamine, anandamide, theobromine, and many other substances that influence focus and mood.



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Anyway, some "shamans" use cacao as an alternative to ayahuasca in rituals. One should be very careful ever ingesting it with an maoi because it can really activate the PEA and potentially create an overdose. I find a solid dose of cacao to be the perfect entheogen to substitute for MDmA-like effects, although not fully. I don't really like the intensity of MDMA anymore anyhow. Might be the kind of thing you are looking for, just figured I'd put it out there.

Interesting. My friend actually has only about 150mg left, which he assumed would not be enough for a decent experience.

Is is still MDMA-like at just 150? Similar effects have been observed at 300mg.
If yes, does it last as long?

I'd take the term 'MDMA-like' in reference to mescaline very loosely as beyond the fact they can both cause stimulation and euphoria, that's about as strong as the similarities go.

I find mescaline to be lacking the strong empathy mechanism of MDMA. With MDMA I have a higher regard for others, but mescaline has the effect of elevating myself.

Even at higher doses of mescaline I am fully able to go grocery shopping if I want without seeming out of place. MDMA makes you look ill on the surface and temporarily impairs you cognitively. Mescaline has almost the opposite effect. Thinking is super-power'd and physical coordination is improved up until near breakthrough doses where things start to become a little disorientating.

There are many levels I can feel with mescaline below the psychedelic dose. MDMA has much less variation.

I only have anecdotal experience below 250. I would say 250-300 would still be a good club dose, but you'd have some light visuals probably and a more altered headspace, and it would last a long time. I have heard that 150 gives you energy and sociability and lowers inhibitions a bit while still remaining very lucid, so I imagine it'd be worth trying. And probably won't keep you up for ages that way. Let us know how it goes. Do it for science!

It never ceases to impress me how the same substance can cause such different effects on different people;

To me, a sub-psychedelic dose of mescaline (what was tried was 300mg; no tracers, I kid you not - but it's normal, I seem to need bigger amounts of pretty much everything) is very much like MDMA, except it lasts longer and mostly doesn't come in waves. And no hangover. And causes insomnia like LSD (if I take MDMA at 4PM, I'll be able to sleep; if I take LSD/Mescaline at 10AM, I won't sleep til 5AM).

Though I was alone on my one sub-psychedelic dose of mescaline, my very first thought upon emerging from the debilitating nausea/weakness was 'wow.. if I knew it would be like this, I would have invited a good friend over'. I was feeling really empathetic. Having no one else there, the cat took the brunt of it.. didn't seem too bothered

MDMA doesn't make me look ill on the surface - at least I have never noticed it and nobody offered comment on that - and besides sometimes making all internal chatter go away (interesting point: even though temporarily I can't verbalize internally anymore, in my last experience I found that writing still works, and it describes exactly that which I cannot at the moment think about - I just feel it and the words feel right - weird, huh?), it doesn't feel impairing (whether it actually is, is a different question)

I've had no issue with physical coordination with either substance; but I would also not be able to mask being altered while on either drug (the wide open, fully black eyes (pupil) occur on both, I think that's a dead giveaway.. also, my voice softens with either lol, almost childlike. And I touch a lot. lol).


Completely agree on less variation with MDMA; In fact it is pretty much the same always, except the first time when it was ultra-magic (nowdays it's "just" mega-magic), and when taken in way too high doses, which to me happened only once (around 250mg), and even though it was an ok experience, I have no desire to repeat that. Way too much stimulation. Have heard the same happens with Mescaline at a certain dose, but no experience with that personally. Not that I would like to.



I've had mescaline twice; This experience I mentioned at 300mg, that was empathogenic but not really psychedelic as we've come to appreciate the term; At just 30mg more (330mg), it was a whole different substance; Time slowed down to a crawl, music was beautiful, the sense of tranquility and 'all is well with the world' was not present, and things were beginning to wiggle just a little bit.

So, if 30mg can make the difference between empathy and time almost grinding to a halt, if this can be extrapolated to other people.. I would, if I were you, be very, very careful indeed about using it in a club. Make sure you have an idea of what to expect (try it out first!).

I plan to; But it will only be mid-august, after Boom. If I remember to then, I'll drop a note here

It's funny I used to fall asleep on MDMA all the time, but now it keeps me awake like any other substance. I'm a very difficult sleeper these days.

I'd also like to add that MDMA makes sex very difficult, although trying is enjoyable. Mescaline makes sex really... really good from start to finish.

There's just something about MDMA that feels a little last night on earth hedonistic, whereas Mescaline is like feeling your body for the first time. To classify it logically I guess I'm saying that mescaline is very true to it's phenethylamine structure, whereas MDMA went to college and got its phen-diploma but fell in with a gang of meth-heads who told him that they loved him but quickly left him for dead due to his shorter half-life and the poor chaps been in denial ever since. He's cool and all, but he lacks a degree of self respect. Loves everyone but himself


For the record I do really like MDMA. In the test of time and reliability it's probably my number 1

Goodness soulfood,

this blew me away, you totally described the destiny of gay subculture. It is so insightful, I can see it as an essay on Salon, Think progress, Slate.com...

I agree with Soulfood on most counts, although Mescaline impairs my depth perception and motor function somewhat.

I can't touch MDMA these days however, the comedown is just not worth it. And it leaves me feeling disconnected from my wife and family for days afterward. So its not part of my life anymore.

I can't remember where this quote came from but I love it "white man medicine feel good first bad later, red man medicine feel bad first good later"

Apart form fatigue and hangover the next day (especially if no sleep all night) I find absolutely no depletion in my brain chemistry and a very real elevated mood for many days once I have slept a full night after taking mescaline. I feel in touch with my surroundings, present and better at nurturing my relationships with others… It really is a perfect substance.