I wanted to post a bit of information to further educate people who wish to self administer oral dmt but don't have access to the benefits of a truly natural and ritualistic setting. My experiments were done over the course of 5 days with 100 grams of Chaliponga.


Methods of Consumption:
* Capsulation - Capsuling ground material and ingesting after an MAOI (Syrian Rue) is effective, but it's harder on the stomache and you don't go as deep into the whole experience. However, I always have preffered ground and capped Syrian Rue over drinking it as a tea, it's just a bit slower. Nausea can be eliminated by slowly training your stomache with gradual doses over the course of a few days.

* Ayahuasca Style - Although not traditional ayahuasca because of the usage of Syrian Rue, it's still very effective and I managed to break through at once point. There we're so many methods of making the brew it was kind of overwhelming to choose, but surely the good ol' Three boils method was the best which took around 3 hours for myself each brew. The first brew I made was pretty weak because I only use vinegar in one boil and not enough MAOI. The second brew was a bit better, but I didn't reduce much at all and there was alot to drink. The third and fourth brew were right on mark, about a half a teaspoon of vinegar each boil and reduced to a much more drinkable size. I will only discuss my Third/Fourth experience since the previous two were more so just tests.


Experiences:

Prologue: I much prefer to be alone as I endeavor through each journey, I tried being outside and with other people but it just wan't practical, too many uncontrollable variables that could cause me anxiety. I had been taking my Ayahuasca analog each morning through the course of one week, (Excluding weekends) and each time it would be made a bit stronger. (Mainly because I gained more experience in making the brew) I am a very logical person with a side of spirituality and meditation I had started to dabble in these past few months. Currently I take 300mg of Silene capensis (African Dream Root) daily for enhanced dream recall which works marvelously. Meditation wise, I'm not very advanced, no experience with Astral projection or OBE's other than a very vivid dream/experience where what I believe to be a spirit guardian introduced herself, I'm not denying the possibility it was just a dream overall but it's also hard to remain in disbelief as I was lucidly transported and guided through different worlds after floating out of my body. There is a part of me that still hangs on to reality and doesn't want to believe and a part of me that is trying to go deeper. There's still that lingering sense of fear that I could waste my whole life trying and then achieving nothing, a feeling of which must be let go if I am to make progress.

Third Experience:
20~ Grams of Chaliponga (Rough Estimates)
3 grams Syrian rue (1 teaspoon)
Going to more so summarize the result since my most recent journey is more easily accessibile at the top of my head. Each experience was tough but this was more psychological. I had many fears of causing brain damage or going crazy which I had to coax myself out of. (Internet research was kind of the cause, reading peoples bad experiences attributed to my momentous anxiety) It was kind of the plants way of preparing me for my next trip, I gave it my patience and made it through all the crazyness, strengthening my mind a little bit more overall while staring at insanity in the face and not succumbing to it's will. I was given insight into my ability to achieve anything I wanted, good for bad, a gift of free will we all possess and it's important to use the time we are given wisely.

Fourth Experience:
35~ Grams of Chaliponga (Used the rest of the plant material I had)
4.3 Grams Syrian rue (Just under 1.3ish teaspoons)
This is where things got a bit crazy, Originally it was going to be three doses since it seemed like alot of material. I drank and waited a couple hours. Visuals were minor and I could still function (Went to the store to get some food just fine and answered the door for a package being delivered) I decided I would go deeper, I knew it would be difficult but I never expected to breakthrough.

The following times are rounded -
11:00am : Took MAOI (Several Syrian rue capsules)

12:00pm : Drank a third of brew

1:00pm : I was out at this time, on my way to the store to grab some groceries, effects were present and very noticeable.

1:20pm : Returned home and was deciding whether or not to drink the rest. Mail arrived shortly into my decision making process.

2:00pm : Decided to start drinking the rest of the brew. Chased it with some Juice I bought at the store and went to lie down as I knew it would be nausea battle time. I've been trying to train my stomache to fight the nausea rather than vomiting. (I've done my purges in previously trials) By keeping it all down the visionary phase last a few hours instead of a couple, and it comes out the other end the next day anyways. I don't reccommend anyone to fight the nausea, it's very mentally taxing and you really are forced to focus on alot of negativity, I however view it a a defragmentation of my brain, thinking about everything that needs to be thought so that there will be no negativity for the rest of the journey when the nausea passes (Ginger helps greatly).

3:00pm : Effects are very strong, I can barely function or move. Nausea is present, this is usually the hardest phase of the journey. Objects are starting to dance around.

4:00pm : Listened to relaxing music for a while and started to clear my mind. Stared at a box for a while and watch the art trying to escape its canvas, I am experience deep thoughts at these times trying to understand myself better and having a battle with my inner self trying to let go of my ego, but a piece of me still wanted to hold on. Disbelief that maybe breakthroughs isn't possible came.

5:00pm : Had a staring contest with my cat, went for a treadmill run and generic exercise as well as ate some food. I came to the realization I wasn't taking as good care of myself as I should have, lack of sleep, too much fasting, I decided I needed balance and not just have my mind revolve around one activity. (In this case, it was veering towards Ayahuascsa) I knew it was starting to become a bit unhealthy so I decided this would be my last experience for a bit and I would go back to just enjoying a sober healthy life because it just feels good to be alive without negativity. After food and exercise I took a shower and went lied down in random places trying to cool off (Summer heat). The Visionary phase was starting to end at this time, I assumed this would be around the end of most of my journey (I was wrong)

6:00pm : Visions ended and I was quite calm, so I decided I should get some sleep, my body was exausted but my mind was alter. I knew I havn't been sleeping enough lately so I pushed myself to go lie down and clear my head, silence that inner voice and just relax. It turned out this was a very good idea.

7:00pm : My mind was still very awake and wasn't ready to sleep, but I was very still and comfortable. Sobriety was coming back to me when suddenly - I left my body behind. Everything went instantaneously dark, I could no longer feel my body but I knew exaclty where is was, both aware and unaware at the same time. (I had been meditating for about thirty minutes prior and was perfectly still) I appeared in the heart of the universe, planets were all around me and the stars glistened with energy. I wasn't in my body anymore, but I knew where I had left it. I was completely alone and decided to pick out a plent and zoom towards it. The feeling was indescribable exhilarating, I had finally entered a new realm of possibility and I knew it wasn't a dream. The best way I can explain it is Astral Projection in the of nowhere. The planets we're beautiful, however I was only able to soar for a few seconds before I lost my concentration and instantly snapped back to my body. It was a weird sensation, I was never sleeping, but I also wasn't full awake. Somewhere in between I left my body and appeared in a universe bustling with planets, it's too bad I didn't get close enough to actually land on one, but it truly was amazing. With that, I decided I wouldn't quit Ayahuasca forever but would instead exercise my mind before returning, hopefully, being able to see more but without being fully reliant on a mind altering substance. I learned that you can perfectly achieve the same state on your own, it just takes alot more effort. However, it the end you get out of an experience what you put it. If you expect a quit and easy method to ascend to greater divinity, you're mind will just be eaten alive and you'll lose it, but if your willing to actually work with the plant and be spiritual on your own, the rewards are truly great.

Conclusion:
Sane: Yes, I'm still perfectly healthy, I can concentrate better than ever my mindis clearer than it's ever been. I overheard people saying it makes you crazy, I can perfectly see that happening if your not careful and weren't patient. When you play with fire, it's easy to get burned, but there's also a safe way of doing it.

Changed: I believe I have changed, but in a positive way, I know if I am to continue living this lifestyle then I will need to have balance and be healthy, because you're only and strong as the weakest part of you. Both body and mind need to be in peak condition. Overall, I feel like my depression has melted away, I love just being alive more, opening up is alot easier for me than it was before the experiences. I know who I am, I'm still myself and I'm still in control.

Dangerous: Very. If you are not prepared, you can easily lose your mind to insanity and change for the worse, or even change in a way you didn't want to. I have come quite close to the edge, pushing my mind to it's limits while learning my own, it was not without it's risks but I have made it through in tact. It doesn't do everything for you, going into it with that type of mindset is irresponsible. As with many things in life, you won't get anywhere without putting a bit of hard work into it, both mentally and physically.
I'm still youthful and have my whole life ahead of me, so I'm going to be sure not to waste it. Life is a precious gift, we are given a lot of power to do ANYTHING we want, it truly is remarkable, and I'm going to make the best of mine living the way I want to.


All input is appreciated.

Detailed process. Thanks for sharing. So you did not vomit? You actually fought away the nausea?

"Please note, plants material has degraded in potency around 10-15% (About a year old), these dosages are not proper guidelines."

I have 5 year old mimosa and chaliponga that has not degraded. Where did you get that info from?

What kind of storage do you use? I would think all plants degrade to some degree but with different lengths of usability.

Some growers I know warned against potential degration (They claim to be experienced, can't quote their full reasoning due to cross-search protection - but it's related to being out of season) due to it being harvested off season, although from my own research there is very little potential for potency loss. It's just a cautionary statement. I used the material within a week of delivery, that was just their advisory, I figured I should take their opinion into consideration.



Yeah I fought the nausea (Syrian rue doesn't give me nausea anymore), eating pickled ginger definately helped me feel better in the later stages. In the early stages I generally could barely move anyway, had the coordination of being drunk, but it was still fun to move around. The nausea only lasts for about a half hour and then everything gets more intense in my opinion, any lingering nausea is easily eliminated with ginger (I use pickled)
The only time I vomited was on my second experience, it was a conscious decision where I thought to myself "I think I'll try vomiting." That made me realize a lot of things are just mind over matter and we can generally control our bodies with a bit of effort.
When I did vomit, the experience felt a lot shorter in duration, compared to when I keep it all in, I feel more of a lingering glow the next day, like the mindspace sticks around longer. It feels really weird to sleep currently. (24 hours since ingestion) My dreams are very vivid and It's feels like I have a different state of consciousness when I'm relaxed (Mind cleared, meditative). Just really hard to describe, but it's enjoyable and goes away when I'm alert.



I would also like to note I have tinnitus, which has remained at the same level throughout my usage and doesn't bother me. I wasn't sure if it would worsen my tinnitus or not (Ibogaine compounded with my tinnitus for 24 hours and made it louder than my fan which was rather unpleasant)

Pickled ginger. Completely missed that... ginger is excellent for nausea, I forgot. Thanks for info. Have you tried caapi so far? If so, was it any difference in nausea?

Havn't gotten into caapi yet, but I will most likely in a couple of months when I get an income boost. Ill set aside a small fund for doing everything properly and traditional. From my own research the nausea should be the same, Syrian rue is supposedly harder on the stomache ezpecially when taken in raw form, but you do build an immunity to it over time regardless. The nausea lessens with each experience generally, I hope to get to the point where its almost eliminated, but it will probably take some time.

I'm sure caapi is the better choice for MAOI but I find it harder to fit the dietary restrictions into my lifestyle if I am to be dosing with some frequency it would mean I would have to follow the diet most of the time.

In my opinion, experience is subjective, the biggest role played is by your own mind and you can control the journey for the most part regardless. I'm sure there's trade offs, but nothing comes easy and I don't mind the challenge of doing things differently as long as I'm safely going about it.

NewBeginnings, thank you for sharing this very detailed experience report. I really enjoyed reading it.

However, DMT Nexus does not allow vendor/purchase discussion on the forum. Please go back and edit your posts, and remove all mention of vendors. This is described in detail in The Attitude Page, which I highly recommend you read before continuing to post on this forum. It's nothing personal, them's just the rules.

Again, thank you for sharing and welcome to the Nexus!

Had previously read through and assumed it was an acceptable warning as no sourcing was provided (Wasn't sure how strict it was), removed and noted for the future.

In my experience, it is best to just avoid any mention of purchase/vendors whatsoever. Better safe than sorry, I suppose. Thanks!

What do you mean?

(I mean googling what I said to find the source)

I'll just say the material was harvested off season and I was informed by some entity it was slightly less potent that optimal. (For safety purposes since 35ish grams is a pretty strong dosage.)

It's just a disclaimer, nothing more.

Why is this an issue?