Hopefully someone can assist.

I have some rue seeds and I also have some caapi leaves. I'd like to smoke either of these by themselves. Im wondering what to expect effect wise. I do not plan on smoking either with any other substances like cannabis, etc. Just want information for smoking these by themselves, and what to expect, duration of effects, after effects, etc?

All I have is either a bowl or my GVG. Im also wondering dosage for both of these to smoke by themselves. I'm a weigher, I dont like to just throw stuff in and go for it without having some idea if its too much or too little haha

There really is no need to weigh it...Just load a bowl smoke at your own pace. You will probably need several hits for good effects.

Effects are just like harmalas only they don't last quite as long, but at higher amounts it will be psychedelic. There is a thousand threads on harmalas effects so just do a search please.

I can't recommend smoking rue since it's pretty harsh and nasty tasting. Caapi is also a harsh smoke but not as bad as rue. I just brew them both and drink, and/or extract the rue.

Btw didn't we just talk about all this in the chat?

Yes I didnt get to thank you before you left, I was just seeing if there were any other reports.

Hi HumbleTraveler,

I don't have much experience with caapi leaf but I have a bit with rue, especially crude harmalas obtained from rue using gibrans quick caapi tek which works well on rue also. I mostly used the rue harmalas as pre-smoke before I smoke Salvia, I find it enhances and has a nice synergy together...

But what you were after was effects alone, and there has been a few occasions were the harmalas alone kicked in enough that I didn't end up smoking the Salvia and just rode out the harmala flash. Those occasions weren't necessarily visual though there was a significant deepening of the black behind my eyelids which is usually a precursor to CEV's but the headspace was most definitely psychedelic and introspective, with a strong tryptamine component to the feeling IMO. It also had great music enhancement qualities.

You might have to smoke a good amount of raw seeds to get to this level or further. I'd suggest at least a crude extraction or more to reduce what you have to put in your lungs. I do this and then enhance some mullein using 95% ethanol so it's easier to handle and smoke.

Anyways, hope that helps and happy traveling!