Hello everyone, I am PaperJack, a 20-something multilingual male.

I'm not sure what I should write about, so I think I'll just ramble on about myself for a little bit.

I have always been a very curious, exploratory person; the kind of person that prefers 50 euro liqueurs than the cheap vodka; that prefers to do something with her hands instead of buying it.
I am not afraid of challenges and pushing myself further. I regularly travel around Europe alone.

Admittedly, I am not an experienced drug user, I have never used LSD nor even smoked weed (okay, I once drank some "weed tea" that my ex-gf made, but it was extremely underwhelming) - heck I started drinking at 19, before that I was abstemious, and even then I only drink for flavor and not to get drunk (huge difference in my opinion). To this date the only time I was high out of my mind was when I lost a lot of blood from an incident and I was under anesthetic.

I understand that DMT is powerful as hell and that it is not raccommended for a newbie without any drug experience like me, but I am pretty sure I can handle it. I am not sure what is drawing me towards it, I first heard about this substance several years ago, when I listened to Joe Rogan's DMT trip story ( http://youtu.be/grcqs9cDuN8 ), and it truly piqued my interest. Since then it has always been in the back of my mind. None of my drug-user friends really knew anything about it, which I found interesting, and I also am not really interested in any other kind of drug. I suppose that when I do something, I do it seriously - no half measures.

So aniways, about a week ago I finally decided to look up how to make it, and I was surprised at the relative ease with which it can be made. So I'm planning to go for it. Although I know and can obtain most lab equipment and chemicals (I work in a pharmaceutical enviroment, albeit as an IT), I am definitely not a chemist, but after reading the guides it seems something I can manage - from what I understand you basically (pun intended) put the powdered plant into acid, neutralize the acid, then extract the DMT with a solvent.

Right now the plan is to get a few Psychotria Viridis plants and to start growing them. Is it a good plant for extracting DMT? Are there cheaper/better alternatives? Please keep in mind that I live in the Balkans (cold winters) and in an apartment so space is limited.

I suppose I will have many more questions as they come up, but for now thanks for your patience and assistance. I am also willing to answer questions if you have any.

Best regards,

PJ.

If your looking for an instant extraction (but still takes time to do so) order the shredded bark (any that contanes dmt) many are found in the wiki section of this site---> https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Category:Botanicals

But if your leaning twards growing I would still check^^ that out for knowlage and info on what would be the best way to go about it.

I find it interesting on that your not a heavy drug user or user for that matter, to want to explore. Can you give a more detailed explanation on what the curiosity that pulled you in this direction?

Welcome to the nexus PaperJack!

I'm not in a rush, I expect to have the finished product by next year. I just thought that it would be cheaper to get a few plants and leave them grow than to buy material. Do you have any opinions on this?

As for my curiosity, well I'm not too sure myself.
I just find the concept of DMT fascinating, as from what I understand it introduces a whole new state of consciousness and I really enjoy self-exploration and discovering the limits of my mind and body.
I do not find getting high to feel good attractive, I want to explore what my mind is capable of. From what I've read DMT is not a harmful drug, so I suppose there's no real negative side to trying it out (apart from the potential "mind-blown" psychological effects).

I wish you the greatest of luck on your quest for self understanding! But I sit here and chuckle. You have no idea what your getting yourself into. This can be good or bad. Hope it ends up well for you.

Might wanna try some other things and stuff first though...seriously. Weed can be quite mind expanding. Don't think your underwhelming experience was even anything. That only means it really didn't work much if at all. Believe me if it worked to the full extent orally you would have been more than overwhelmed.

Not trying to sound like a butthole but seriously man its not as simple an experience as you now picture. DMT will turn your world upside down and phase into another dimension lol. Again best of luck I'm happy your willing to try new things. Prepare to lose all your way of thinking that is all...

I agree with you on getting high to feel good is not in my book either. Simply to say, I use as an aid. Im not looking for something to make me "feel better" more or so I can feel whole. There's a difference as one is short lived and the other is life long benefits.

I would suggest doing research on plants with dmt containing alkaloids for the first fact and see which is easier.

What if you just bought 5 trees and found out you don't like it at all? Your out time and money. I suggest the bark way to go first, extract that, and see if you like. Then make the decision on whether or not to buy a tree for the purpose of extracting. Test drive the car before you buy is the best opinion, and don't worry 250g of root will be more than plenty to find out if you want to continue with this....

I don't want to scare you away from this but it will rip you atom by atom from your very being, put it all in a blender and pour you back into a mold of something different. It is life changing to say the least. Good intentions are all it asks for. But be cautious with this is all.

Best wishes friend

MadPlanter, I apreciate that you are worrying for me, but I am not scared. I'm very open minded and not afraid to push the limits of my understanding - if experiencing DMT will expand my life outlook, then so be it, even if it will be a daunting experience.

darklordsson, you make a very good point with the potential for not liking it. Is discussing dry plant material sources acceptable on here? EDIT: MHRB is Mimosa Hostilis Root Bark, right ? Is other plant dry material sourcing questions allowed?

I am not surprised you are interested in DMT without having interest in other "drugs." They are not all the same thing.

All I will say is approach the temple with a humble heart and wash your feet before you enter.

Love is the antidote to fear.

And you are right not to hurry. After all, we have eternity.

Welcome!

Jus polish up on the attitude section at the top of the page, it gives you all the rules, as for recourses no, google was my best bet on that. Yes for MHRB it is what it stands for. Any more ?'s Ill do my best to help.

Happy Travals!

--dls--

You'll be all good brother. I'm scared of the DMT but that being said I love it too. Every time I go to think I might take a rip I sit with the pipe forever. Looking at it...knowing I'm in for it big time...then eventually go for it and hope for the best. Weird thing I noticed is I seem to benefit more in the days after an experience than in the immediate arrival back to myself. Interesting stuff for sure.

Well, that took a while...
I'm preparing to do an A/B extraction roughly following this tek
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...ybrid_ATB_%27Salt%27_Tek
Only that instead of using vinegar, I'm going to use hydrochloric acid.
I have a few more questions

1) From what I understood, to get more of the freebase DMT one should simply not insert salt before basifying, is this correct?
2) How powdery does the MHRB have to be? Right now it's fluffy with some 2-3mm big bits of root here and there.
3) The cooling down of the solvent - is it better to do it quickly, or do it slowly?
4) Is it a good idea to mix the solvent pulls together in a single bowl before cooling them down in the freezer?

Thanks to everyone. I'm very nervous but also excited to start this journey.

Welcome to the Nexus!

Good luck with your extraction!

Hello paperjack,

Welcome to the Nexus, . Thank you so much for diving right in by composing and submitting an Introduction Essay, then continuing to interact with people via the replies and the chat room.

I like your attitude and your honesty, but I'm gonna also chime in with a recommendation to maybe grow and try some mushrooms before trying for DMT.

I'm not sure if getting blown instantly and terrifyingly (especially if there's any resistance) out of one's body into an insane land of flying objects, insane geometry, off the scale powerful feelings of everything and anything, the sense of being in a specific place and not only not being able to breathe but understanding that you also don't have a heartbeat as pushy entities mind-rape you . . . . . . is the best goal for pushing personal limits. Personally I feel it is a great spiritual and personal insight learning tool. It speaks very loudly and carries a VERY big stick.

Read some of the experience reports here . . . take your time . . . think over what you are planning to do. No joke - read the Health & Safety section in particular the Warning. That was not written to tease or brag. It is a dead serious WARNING. It is there for a reason.

So, yeah, please proceed carefully and mindfully. Seriously, it really is easy to grow mushrooms and they are a great spiritual and insight tool also. Very large doses of mushrooms like in the 8 gram+ range (I've never taken that much ) is reported to be similar to low or medium doses of DMT with the peak being at times DMT breakthrough like.

Yeah please do read the entire Attitude. If I remember correctly, you can talk about the plants just not about procural. There is a sister site called sharetheseeds.me where you can learn more about entheogenic seeds and find sources and trades so that you can grow from seeds . There you may not discuss extraction as you can here.

Yep the land of DMT simply cries out for constant reading and research. You are looking at an amazing ocean that contains everything from wonderful warm shallows and tide pools full of friendly beings to endless miles wide trenches filled with any/everything from echoing hollowness to fantastic alien landscapes and beings to hostile and aggressive landscapes and encounters. And any/everything else. That's the thing about seas of such width AND depth . . . it's nearly impossible to fully explore or map out and the possibilities are limited not only by the entire contents of your mind and imagination but even something hugely more beyond . . .

Again, welcome to the Nexus.