Here's some feed back I've just been sent be one of my friends who's working on this with me;



This is a tweak I'm going to add, the drug rehabilitation info I think is a good tack. This is the kind of feedback I'm after script wise. X

that rehab.com place is nonsense

previous thread



you need to be careful not to include this type of stuff if your trying to get rid of the nonsense surrounding DMT

Defiantly, was thinking more of including some info on the use of DMT to treat heroin and alcoholism. X

I'm not sure about the addictive qualities of DMT, but if it is anything like mushrooms, mescaline, or LSD (which I suspect it might be), the chances of genuine addiction are pitifully small. Granted, you always run the risk of psychological addiction, but you can get that with anything from blueberries to morning jogging to cannabis.

In terms of helping with other addicitons, I would go on record to say that psychedelics in general have helped me combat addictions, improved my wellbeing and self-worth, and helped me develop as a person. However, that is entirely anecdotal, and the only recent study I know of that would support that is one into psilocybin.

I would ask you to reconsider. Unless there are peer-reviewed journals you plan on citing (and even then), this is a major can of worms and has implications that go far beyond spreading information about DMT. The last thing we need is more psychedelically naive people seeking out incredibly potent compounds in order to treat themselves for their ailments.

I agree with snozz. There really isn't any solid information supporting it's use to treat anything.

I think an important rule to make is to not state any reason for use. That's up to the user to decide on their own and we don't need to bias that choice.

I think that last section about the pineal could be shortened to be more brief and precise. Maybe some info about citrus fruit containing dmt and how it's possibly ingested on a day to day basis by everyone through our normal diet but is simply rendered inactive due to monoamine oxidase.

I believe this last part is important because it can help dispel some of the fear about it if more people knew they they ingest it possibly on a day to day basis.

Thanks for your insight Snozz, you make a very good point and it is duly noted. X




This I like! I'll do a bit more research and do some script tweaking tomorrow then I'll post up the next draft. X

I'm not even reading this.
I say, please do not put up any videos about DMT.
It's people doing things like that, that cause good things to be ruined.

Next draft up;


NN-Dimethyltryptamine or DMT for short, is a chemical substance with a number of psychoactive effects. DMT intrigues many minds anthropologically speaking, because of it's use in an entheogenic context. We see it in religious, shamanic and spiritual practices all around the world. It's part of the tryptamine family of monoamine alkaloids and It's one of the most powerful yet mysterious psychedelics in existence.

Some would say to classify DMT as just a drug would be doing it a great injustice, as DMT seems to invoke a boundary dissolving experience so profound that it raises many questions regarding the nature of reality and our place within it.
It is important to realize at this point, that the experiences one has on DMT may be very difficult for some to integrate. It's very common practice, that persons seeking a DMT experience, will spend a year or more doing research in preparation before even coming into contact with the physical substance.
Changes in dose and method of administration can drastically affect DMT's subjective effects and these can range from short-lived, milder psychedelic states, to powerful immersive experiences. It's because of the intensity of these experiences that an element of danger is starkly present for the inexperienced user. If you find yourself in a state where you can no-longer perceive your body, how do you make sure your body remains safe? This is the first step of many that must be taken to assure the safe use of any psychedelic compound.

The pharmacology of DMT is similar to that of other well-known psychedelics. It affects the receptor sites for serotonin (5-hydroxytryptamine) in much the same way that LSD, psilocybin, and mescaline do. Serotonin receptors are widespread throughout the body and can be found in blood vessels, muscle, glands, skin and the brain. As DMT resembles the basic structure of neurotransmitters, when ingested it's capable crossing the human blood-brain-barrier, allowing it to dramatically affect human consciousness.

From 1955 DMT has been found to occur naturally in at least fifty plant species belonging to ten
different families, and in at least four animal species, including one gorgonian (Gorgonians are closely related to coral) and three mammalian species (Humans included).

In 1931 Canadian chemist Richard Helmuth Fredrick Manske (1901–1977) was first to synthesize DMT and
its discovery as a natural product is generally credited to Brazilian chemist and microbiologist Oswaldo Gonçalves de Lima (1908–1989)
In 1946, Gonçalves de Lima isolated an alkaloid he named nigerine from the root bark of Mimosa hostilis.
However it was later shown in a case review by Jonathan Ott that formula for nigerine as determined by Gonçalves de Lima could only match a partial or impure form of DMT.
It wasn't untill 1959, when Gonçalves de Lima provided American chemists a sample of Mimosa hostilis roots, that DMT was unequivocally identified in this plant material.

At this point its a nice chance to debunk the claim that endogenous human DMT is produced by pineal gland. I'm afraid presently (when this video was published) there is no evidence to support the claim that DMT is produced in the pineal or the brain for that matter. This is just speculation by Dr Rick Strassman (of spirit molecule fame) due to his own interests in the pineal gland. So far in humans, the key enzymes necessary for DMT synthesis have not been found in the brain, so it seems more likely that it's produced elsewhere in the body. Some recent research has shown that these enzymes
are present in the pineal gland of primates, although nothing has really been proven yet, so we must avoid stating speculation as fact before the data comes in.
The equally as unfounded is the connection of DMT to dreams, and the idea that DMT is released when we die, both are also speculation with no real evidence to back them up. One thing we do know is true, is that DMT is produced in the human body, we're just not sure where. It's present at all times but only in trace amounts and the reason for this is still unknown.

A very interesting Preliminary Observational Study in Canada (Published June 2013 in Current Drug Abuse Reviews) has shown DMT may show promise in psycho-therapy with sufferers of addiction and stress disorders.

The study combined four days of group counseling with two expert-led ayahuasca ceremonies. Ayahuasca also commonly called yagé, is a psychedelic brew made from DMT containing shrubs. It's commonly used by a number of shamanic cultures throughout Northern South America and Brazil.
In the study data was collected on from 12 participants on several psychological and behavioral factors related to problematic substance use. Pre-treatment and and qualitative data assessing the personal
experiences of the participants six months after the treatment are all included in the research.

(Link in the description; http://www.maps.org/ayah...ca/Thomas_et_al_CDAR.pdf)


The study showed; "mindfulness, empowerment, hopefulness, quality of life-meaning, and quality of life-outlook showed statistically significant improvements over time.". One of the female subjects (age 41) said of her experiance;

“Before the ceremony I was
struggling with my addiction, crack cocaine, for many years.
And when I went to this retreat, it more or less helped me
release the hurt and pain that I was carrying around and
trying to bury that hurt and pain with drugs and alcohol. Ever
since this retreat I’ve been clean and sober.”

A male subject (age 30) provided this insight:

“With my last experience with the
ayahuasca, I really faced myself. Like, my fear, my anger.
Which really, I think is a big part of my addictions. Like,
running away from myself pretty much. And I think I
overcame that in the ceremonies. That was a pretty big deal
for me . . .”

It must be underlined that this research is no reason for anyone to jump on a plain, seeking out a shaman to quick fix to their addictions. There have been instances of death caused by mock shamans profiteering from the resurgence of interest in ayahuasca and instances individuals mistakenly taking Brugmansia.

(links in the description; http://motherboard.vice....oiling-ayahuasca-tourism)

All this should underline the need for more real scientific research into DMT and a need to open up some real discussion in public forums to challenge our present attitudes to not just DMT but all psychedelics.

just some thoughts,



this is, in my opinion promotion of dmt, im not sure that's a good thing. but some sentences later you make up for this.




i realy like this



Why tell this story, although it ends with the note that you should not jump on a plane to find a shaman, it does promote its use. The one looking at the movie might think he is going to find the "real" one. Also when including something like this it might be a good thing to include some of the more negative side effect's of using dmt or psychedelics like hppd, flash backs and psychosis, with links to papers.

If your not reading this don't respond!

Childish much?

It doesn't take a genius to realize that the more that is put out there, the more issues we'll have.

Just look at what happened with Mimosa Hostilis.

There's enough Youtube videos already. Youtube is home for countless teens. Dumb teens. Dumb teens who think "ooohhh this drug sounds awesome, let's get fucked up!" and do something stupid. Then the police catch on, then the feds. Then boom, they're cracking down harder.

One might argue "harm reduction" or "there's a bunch of videos already so what's the big deal" but seriously, we all have to know deep down that the more videos thrown up on Youtube about DMT, the higher the risk of the feds really cracking down on imports.

I think it would be a good idea to make a video "documentary-style" very serious and very informative. If we make it a bit longer than the initial script it will keep the dumb teens away since it will be too long and boring for their short attention spans...

I don't think at this point the feds and everyone out there know about DMT already. How about spreading some actual information about the substance rather than pro or contra propaganda - I don't see the harm that that could do. It's already a popular thing, it seems. People have gotten turned on to it through Rick Strassman or by whatever means. Where do they go if they want some info on this drug? google, wikipedia, youtube, erowid, here.... youtube is a good place to put a good and professionally made mini documentary about this fascinating substance.

I can understand that you are afraid that people will take away your DMT from you, but I think we ought to see the bigger picture here. The more information we get out there, the higher the chances that at some point in the future we can get enough people together to move these substances away from schedule 1 and towards a better way to handling them. If people youtube dmt to get an idea of the substance and all they see is some idiots smoking it from a bong on their couch, then rolling their eyes back and drooling... well they will never get a positive image of somethign that we here know has a lot to offer.

It seems like we would be doing the whole thing an injustice not to assist in a project like this.

Now, I'm not sure the OP intended his project the way I envision it, but I hope he/she will consider to make it a bit bigger/longer and really really invest time to make it look professional. This may mean lots of research, talking to people, interviews with researches, lots of film-editing etc. But I think it would be worth it. Just to put something out there to balance the tides.

Your not going to stop what's already happening. Is your suggestion to just sit back and do nothing? That seems counterproductive to me. The real reason Marijuana is becoming legal across the United States is because people like us spread the truth as hard as they could. The poured every ounce of energy into showing people that it isn't harmful like they attempted to teach us, it has potential to change lives.

There is no reason for any of us to believe the same won't happen for psychedelics. They create so much good it is impossible to ignore. Our job, for those that want to initiate change, is to spread the truth in the most logical fact filled way we can.

I haven't been able to administer myself a proper dose since my large dose yet I'm still here. You can thank psychedelics for the fact it brought all of us together. They can't stop us, no laws have hindered us. Yes some have slowed us down, but they will not be able to stop us.

We are risking our freedom to use, would you not risk your freedom to free psychedelics from these chains? Someone has to make a video, many people have. Who is going to make the proper one? Us

I enjoy what you have written, (especially the debunking bit ) but in regards to audience, there is much room for this being interpreted as Advocacy in-between-the-lines or swimmers-advocacy.

i believe this is the tricky hurtle considering information can be many things, read many ways, and misinterpreted many others.

All things considered and all due respect

What is the goal of the presentation?

(All this should underline the need for more real scientific research into DMT)

this is a goal i can not fully commend.
what questions about it specifically do you feel need to be asked with scientific research? that are not ubiquitous among all Novel Psychedelic Compounds?


(and a need to open up some real discussion in public forums to challenge our present attitudes to not just DMT but all psychedelics.)

I feel this is your true core message, with thee ultimate emphasis on ALL PSYCHEDELICS . am i correct in this assumption?
if so, i urge you to reconsider the bulk of the content in this presentation being DMT focused or even related.

help facilitate the common need to open up some real discussion in public forums that challenge our present attitudes to not just psychedelics but all drugs

that message/goal i whole heartily commend and would love to contribute to.


again i urge you to reconsider. Is the emphasis on "dmt facts" the best content-medium to carry this message of general drug/plant awareness/respect/understanding.
If i am correct, we can restructure this video/documentary or what ever it becomes around several other themes. I HAVE ALOT OF IDEAS.
instead of creating a DMT-centric video to send this message lets create something to get people to see systems, people, plants, animals, food, and compounds from a different perspective.

Acuirbelesce, I'd be interested in hearing your ideas. I'm not sure if you are perhaps a bit over ambitious in the widening of the scope of this video. I think we should stick to at least "just psychedelics" for now.

I also don't really see the reason why we could not make a nice documentary about just DMT. Something along the lines of:

Part 1: intro to DMT - chemical structure, relation to serotonin, receptor binding sites -> altered states / altered perception.

Part 2: Why is DMT so fascinating to many? Natural occurence in many plants and animals, in the human body even. Here you can talk about how many people use this fact to back up their conjectures about pinneal glands and death etc. but how there's no evidence about this. However its presence in the human body remains a MYSTERY, not to mention the actual experiences to be had with it.

Part 3: Traditional use in the Amazon - Some Ayahuasca brews contain DMT as an admixture. Here we can explain how Ayahuasca is not equal DMT. We can also explain how DMT can only have effects oraly in combination with MAOI which are found in Caapi vines. We can also talk about speculations about use of ayahuasca anaolgues in other parts of the world, but how there is no proof of this (i.e. Benny Shannon's paper about Moses' burning bush etc.).

Part 4: Contemporary research and use - Strassman and co., websites and many people claim it to have some positive effects, but let's not forget that also very negative experiences can be had. Here we can go into what people say about their DMT experiences and how they have changed their lives for the better or the worse. We should be balanced here.

Part 5: Legal status and conclusion.

I think there's a danger of biting off more than we can chew here. Personally, I'd recommend doing a smaller project first just to ensure all the parts work together, and then build on that for a more informative, longer version. Alternatively, do it episodically.

Splitting it up would be essential if you wanted to tackle the larger question of why should we reduce regulation. You would want to present a case per drug, and a larger video means it could get muddled up. Besides which, it's an entirely different set of arguments for weed or psyches than say cocaine or heroin.

EDIT. PS: Kenshi, not a useful comment, and also quite self defeatist. The cops know all too well about weed, and yet the wind is changing direction on the issue. Granted, psyches will be harder (less people in the US support the legalisation of LSD than they do heroin - thanks reactive media!).

I was being overly ambitious in my notion of expanding this concept that far into "all drugs". Too broad, Too much data/info to apply meaningful focus.
I do agree that raising awareness and cultivating new attitudes regarding psychedelics is a more manageable and fruitfull goal to work towards.

But what i really want to know, so i can be of actual assistance and useful input is
What goal(s) do you (bo) want to achieve with this?


Enoon ~ some times i have too many ideas for my current skill-level and focus, as you can tell i can be over ambitious while expressing my feelilngs/ideas.
Recently with the passing of Alexander Shulgin i have become very interested in MAPS and contemplating different ways to raise awareness about entho-botanicals, their traditional uses and their derived components, ALSO intersted in providing more information on new types of compounds related to the blackmarket RC/NSC "movement".
i would narrow it to just entho-botanicals their traditional uses and derived components for this effort

one of the most amazing things i learned working with DMT is not that IT is found everywhere, but that all plants and animals are filled with their own profile of entheogen/pshychedelic/spiritual components.

(this is one of the reasons i feel i like to play with jungle/jimjam and mixes of enhanced herb vs just working with a more isolated extracts and also why i want to get into simpler hot water extractions) but enough of that

but to get people thinking out of the box, first i would wanna focus on a common substance(s) that is lesser known-as or marginalized as an entheogens such as Cacao, coffee, yerbamate, blue lotus, ginseng, kava, kratom.
cacao has a wide variety wide spectrum of alkaloids that are present which gives alot of room for distinguishing and discussing different types of chemicals found elsewhere, and since these produce mild changes in consciousness/perception and people can relate to those types of changes and experiences it helps to get people prepare for discussion of stronger entheogens and other ideas that come with these highly altered mind states.

maybe make use of pointing out the 5 levels of psychedelic experience and mention traditional methods of achieving each and what kind of work people do in those given states.

for the dive into the large realm of psychedelics, i advocate for focusing on some that are not soo popular/trending, such as ibogaine / iboga. or any other drugs used to help cultivate a mindset that can help one plan for natural recovery.

I really like the idea of not stating what psychedelics are for, and it being up to the user.
but i feel they have always had a common use of catalyzing perspective changes. your ideas, understandings, your curiosities and your values change.
but not from a mechanical switched on from of way. through awareness so that people can move past their "hangups" (depression anxiety addiction) and move on to enjoying the many new questions and problems that will come.

i wish i had a better means to underline my current ideas/aspirations/goals for such a presentation. I feel like in USA we have a narrow system for understanding altered and psychedelic mind states. i would not feel comfortable collecting, compiling and rehashing slightly more up to date info/facts on our beloved DMT. for youtube viewers to try to use that info in the narrow minded system they live in. (not that i feel the viewers are narrow minded) but the system is.

i could drab on for days, sorry if this was at all ranty, and sorry if i have hijacked this threads main purpose
but i want to get people thinking and talking about enthogens and psychedelics and the states they can create, not just any specific one's mystery. i see less harm and possibly more good coming from that angle.
i feel/hope? this was also bo's underlying aspiration as well lol.
because we all want to help eachother help one-another i had to put myself out there