Greetings.I'm going to try and keep this short.
When I smoke DMT and I keep my eyes open,I don't see fractals,radical patterns or beings.I just see what I call the 'web of reality' it is the mesh that gently shlinks over everything and sometimes is comprised of little dots that move and change colours so that my hand would change from flesh colour to purple.I see this on shrooms and other psychedelics even on oral DMT and smoked DMT with a maoi.

When I do oral DMT in particular, I get gross visual distortions and feel very ill,kinda like a fever and hyperspace hums slowly for the duration.The room expands and contracts, whole objects change colour and my body parts expand and contract.It is so scary,I feel as though im in a diffrent reality the distortions are so bad.At this time I see no visuals only the web.No fractals or faces in objects or beings.

When I smoke DMT I enter hyperspace but the beings are never made of patterns or fractals like my friends report.They are monotone colours and have definite shapes.Hyperspace is hardly ever colourful and the backgrounds and such are normally black or very dark colours.With the odd exceptions.

My question is why do I not get visuals even on high doses of shrooms(4g+) and DMT.Are their others like me out there?
My main concern is that it is ruining my brain.

It sounds like you may be burning the DMT. How are you smoking it? What are you smoking it in?

Also, are you closing your eyes. DMT can have an easier time showing you fractals and all that when you close your eyes. Also change the room you're doing it in, change the lighting...experiment in general.

I use a machine and it always tastes great and never burns.I only get ill when I smoke it with a maoi in my system or when I eat it.When I say "ill" its more a horrid feeling that I can't shake,I can barley move and speak.

When I smoke it straight I have a good time,I close my eyes and instantly breakthrough,enjoy my time then hyperspace just ends and I see nothing with my eyes closed.Upon opening my eyes the room is normal just with the web slinking everywhere.

When I hit with my eyes open,even on a breakthrough dose I see colour enhancement and the web moves a bit more.But never see beings or fractals like others report.

I have experimented with lighting and different sets but its always the same.

Dose yourself during the day, close your eyes and let go you will see the light through your eyelids and that always helped me with my fractal pattens, always very colorful. If your in the dark it probably wont have such a surreal effect because there's no catalist for the patterns etc. light.

Good luck!

You are not alone in not having very strong visuals! Ever since I had a really good trip on L and MDMA, took Vyvanse for three days in a row after, and took a long break from anything psychotropic, I have not gotten very pronounced visuals in the DMT, LSD, or Psilocybin spaces. Even recently, I took 800ug (with a high tolerance built up mind you), and 5.5g of mushrooms and my visuals were barely even there. They were more of a background than a foreground event.

I've also only ever had strong visuals on DMT once, when I did freebase, but I know that's because I don't smoke enough Changa to get fully into the DMT space; and I'm perfectly okay with this.

If you are really looking for a stronger visual experience, consider making a Changa blend of Caapi, Wild Dagga, and Blue Lotus; and smoking it out of a water pipe. This will make sure you get enough in your lungs for a "full" experience, and also Wild Dagga is known for mild visual effects itself.

Lasty, maybe you are just not meant to get lost in the visuals right now. Perhaps there is something more important that what can be seen in psychedelics that might be blocked out by an overwhelming visual experience.

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I agree,What I lose in shrooms visuals I gain in headspace.When I smoke DMT I have beings around me but they fade into a golden light and I have this feeling of continuous orgasms for the rest of the trip,witch I think is better than any visuals.This happens once in every 10 trips.

Just oral DMT makes me have retardedly heavy distortions and it scares me but I think it is my setting that makes it unpleasant.I hope to one day enjoy it though.

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One of the reasons for this post was to get an idea of what others experience.My conclusion is that maybe on a psychopharmacological level drugs and DMT in particular don't effect the visual part of brain much and instead work on my perceptions part of the brain .

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Are you by any chance taking Wellbutrin or any other psychotropic medications?

That's the scary part,I don't take medication.But what I experience is wayyy off from what I think I should be experiencing.In one of my part trip reports I went crazy...literally. I walked around aimlessly and stared objects,not knowing where or what I was.

IMO, this is the nature of Aya/Pharma, and it is never meant to be "enjoyable". My only pharma trip was very intense and dysphoric for the first part, but after that had subsided (and after I had taken a good hard look at things I have done that are less-than-noble) I was able to experience a feeling of infinite love and compassion that I personally believe is the essence of everything and everyone in this plane of existence.

I also don't think it wise to return to these spaces unless we have taken heed to the lessons our true selves are trying to tell us.

Speaking of spaces, have you ever tried Changa? It is the smokable form of Aya, and some of the same insights can be had on it that can also be had on Aya/Pharma, only with a shorter duration, and an option to dive right back into the DMT-space if you feel you didn't receive the whole message.

I personally cannot understand how anyone can take DMT or mushrooms for fun. Everytime I try to take mushrooms for fun I get a hard lesson thrown into my face that I have to deal with before the experience can become anything that even closely resembles enjoyment or meaning. I usually start off okay, but quickly fall into a DMT-like-space, followed by anxiety, followed by strait fear, followed by a lesson about my past harmful actions / opening up to emotions.

This alludes to what in Zen we refer to as no-self. It is the realization that we are not an independent enduring self-existence, and are in fact interdependent to everything around us; even that wall over there

This makes sense,when I was in that state I felt as though I was not breathing,I was here there and everyware ,I at one stage thought I could see through walls and transport to the the other side.All worldly constraints were lifted...Everything was interconnected.
Thanks for that idea.

No problem!

I would strongly encourage you to look into Zen more, even if you are not comfortable with Buddhism, just the secular parts of Zen are worth checking out. Like mindfulness; many esteemed universities and companies in the US are using a technique called mindfulness-based-stress-reduction to become more efficient and less stressful people.

Will do I do meditate with the 'Ayam' mantra although I'm not sure where it comes from Or what it is based on,the book I read don't really include that stuff. You practice ataining inner stillness

This is a property of the harmalas. When I take aya or pharma, I plan on not being able to budge for a while. Everything should be at arms reach that you might need, but even lifting a hand can require some willpower. They are also of course known to induce nausea and dizziness which can add to the feelings of being ill.



I'm on two sides of this. On one hand, DMT seems to be more likely to be visually manifest with the eyes open or closed, even though IME it's really the same thing. I've had times where open eyes produce little more than size distortion of objects in the room as on a mild dose of a light psychedelic, but other times I most certainly have had objects and entities manifest before my open eyes. Most of my strong experiences will begin with the manifestation of such OEVs. Probably the more significant figures to show up in my open-eyed bedroom were two Egyptian sentinels that looked pretty much exactly like this.



If I may make some suggestions about what increases the likelihood of such manifestations for myself, it would be to set myself up in a neat room (minimize your clutter); face a relatively blank wall (without pictures, posters or other visual obstructions); give yourself a little distance; maintain focus on a particular area of the wall, and do not divert your attention, even if things start happening/manifesting. Think of your eyes like a projector. Do it in a moderately lit setting.

This is some solid advice for meditation in general too. I've been contemplating spending the peak of a L trip in sitting/ walking meditation, and this is confirmation for me that it is a great idea for all psychedelics!

Yeah thanks man I will definetly give that a try and write a trip report in the future.