SWIM has decided to go on a 2 to 3 week water only fast, and is wondering if it would be a good idea to do a dmt and shroom combo on a day in which SWIM feels reasonably energetic during this fast (there are days in which most people get a somewhat of a "jolt" of energy so to speak, during which the body has completely adjusted to using body fat as the primary source of energy). SWIM is thinking that this would be the most clean and mind-blowing experience achievable.

Does anyone have experience with something like this and can give SWIM a few tips to make it a better trip? How were your tripping-while-fasting experiences like?

Be careful with the dose, mushrooms will be more powerful when you are fasting.

Water only fasts are pretty hadrcore, especially for that length of time. I'm not sure you'd need any additional "inputs" so to speak. I'd try doing the fast by itself first, or perhaps fast for a day or 2 on vegetable (not fruit) juices, then try to add in some entheogenic substances, and at very low doses.

CaesarOfMex, there are a few things I would need you to answer before I would be willing to shed any form of advice.

Have you water fasted before, and if so, what has been the duration and frequency?

Are you experienced with either entheogen, or have tried the combination together before?

Do you have anyone close to you that you would feel comfortable being around you during this experience, or would you want to do this alone?

And, the most important question of all:

Could you explain your driving force to do what you are considering? I know you stated you were


^ this is something I was wondering if you could elaborate on.

Are you experienced with fasting? I ask because I've only done a juice fast, so I'm no expert, but from what I understand after speaking with phlux, who has much more experience than I, the idea is to carefully and slowly build up to longer fasts over a period of time instead of just going for a 2 week+ long fast right off the bat (and making sure to spend a long time between each fast, eating fully and healthily...I think some fast too often personally).

I've tripped during juice fasts (technically juice feasts, I guess, since I juiced as much as I wanted) and it was incredible, but I can't say I recommend jumping into what you're doing simply because I'm not experienced or knowledgeable with that area. So please just be careful with your health, take it slow, and don't push yourself too hard. I think something along the lines of the slower approach Aumbra mentioned seems more reasonable if you are set on doing this but aren't that experienced. You could always just smoke some DMT during a shorter fast first, no? If it becomes too much or gets too uncomfortable, it usually only lasts a few minutes anyways...whereas mushrooms can have you struggling for a few hours.

Can you give us more info on your Juice Feast and the trip that entailed? Interested...

Why not just dip your toe into things with some Martin Berkhan "Leangains"-style intermittent fasting? Google it. Works for me.

Also, yes, the come up will be faster and the trip shorter, in my experience.

No worries about that, not really planning to take a huge dose while fasting, I've heard everything is stronger that way.



I'm actually quite excited about that! I've heard fasting is a whole new spiritual experience all by itself, since you're divert attention from your physical needs and to your spiritual needs



I've fasted many times before but they've always been significantly shorter fasts (up to 50 hours). That being said I know my body pretty well and I know it would definitely be no problem to push through the first 3-5 days, after which the hunger completely disappears and the body is using body fat as its primary fuel source.



Not nearly as experienced as most people in this website, no. But I did do the craziest thing ever, which was going from absolutely ZERO experience in any kind of psychedelic (including weed) to taking a double dose of the most powerful entheogenic ever (ayahuasca). To say the least, it was not pleasant at all at the beginning. But what's interesting is that even though it wasn't pleasant, I was completely able to ignore the unpleasantness of it after I thought I had died (ego death), and after a while of ignoring it, it was the most blissful experience I've ever had, with the shamanic music sounding a thousand times more vivid than normal and showing me things I had never seen.

After that experience I only had 2 pharmahuasca experiences which I did after 12 hours of fasting and were WAYY cleaner than my first ayahuasca trip. They were also extremely good trips; I felt absolutely no negativity in those. My second one in particular was the most mind-blowing experience I've had up to date. I literally went back in time and into the consciousness of many great people such as John Basilone (war hero), John F. Kennedy, Albert Einstein, and I even visited memories of friends and loved ones; memories of which they had never told me about, and were shocked when I told them about it.

It was quite a while before I even tried my second dose of oral dmt, but it was because I had to integrate the first one and did it until I was completely ready to let go in any scenario that might arise.

That being said, right now I feel I'm ready to just let go since I kinda know what to expect from psychedelics in general. The first trip was ugly at first for the reason that I had was delving into a world completely foreign to me and had nooo idea what it felt like to be "dying", or losing one's ego completely for that matter.



I have no problem with people I trust being around while I'm tripping, but it's really not my style. My two last trips I did completely alone, and I feel that it was for this reason that I was able to go deeper into the dmt realm than my first experience which had wayyy too much external stimuli exciting my mind beyond imagining. I find it easier and better to be alone with my mind and delve extremely deep into it, where I can find problems, confront them, and let them go forever .


I am doing it because I am in love of self-exploration and I like to do this in a very respectul and meditational manner. I just really want to learn about myself more and more, and with psychedlics it seems like life-long journey. All in all, I guess you could say that I'm looking for the one and only Truth, which when I know will allow me to improve my life in every aspect imaginable.



Most definitely can, but it's still mostly a matter of perspective and interpretation by each individual. By clean I mean, in the most concrete terms I can think of, extremely little or no negative stuff in the trip at all. Just Being and Oneness, and of course teachings that are 100% understandable. It is that feeling of a million questions being answered in a few seconds, except a more "clean" trip to me would be the answering of ALL questions and not just a million, with an unparalleled understanding and interpretation about them all. This also comes into play as a "mind-blowing" experience in my perspective. All in all, a "clean and mind-blowing" trip to me would be a psychedelic doing exactly what it's supposed to do magnified by a thosand, and purged of any and all "dirty spots", to bring complete understanding of onesself and the universe.



I thank you for your concern. As I had mentioned, I am quite experienced with fasts, but only shorter ones. Water fasting really does not possess any threat to any reasonably healthy person if it's for a couple of weeks. I have done tons of research, and I know that when my body tells me to stop, I will. It's not necessary to know your body very well for this signal to stop to be obvious, but I think it's a plus that I know it quite well from my many shorter fasts that I will know when to stop if I have to.



Will definitely post a report about it once I've done it. I think it would be a quite interesting and informative report since there aren't many people who go on a fast to trip



Because I really want my mind, body, and spirit to be completely clean of all junk that it may have right now. Fasting for long periods of time cleanses not only your body, but your energy centers and also your mind. It puts your body in the most clean and natural state achievable. That's why a lot of older people feel like 20 years younger after they complete a long fast, and it's because, again, they REALLY are 20 years younger in mind, body, and spirit, just not in real time.
All in all, I know that fasting pushes the big "RESET" button in your body that soooo many people need to push nowadays due to the consumerism-oriented Western thinking and living mode, which does horrors to pollute the mind and spirit just by itself. Add chemical pollution, fluridation of water, and all the other many unnatural things that are going on in society nowadas, and you have a cocktail of destruction.

That's why I absolutely LOVE fasting, because it puts me in the most naturally clean state possible

Hope this answered your question, for I have came to find out that while shorter fasts are really good for you, nothing even comes close to the healing power of a long fast.

I'd advise caution when experimenting with fasts combined with psychedelics.

I had a cactus brew with my brother on time and he went into a hypoglycemic state and was approaching the point of no return before I noticed. It was lucky that I noticed as I was tripping my tits off.

He'd been living on a diet consisting of nothing but fish for over a week leading up to the incident. He didn't mention that until I noticed his symptoms and started questioning him. So before the trip he was in a state of ketosis, which would be very similar to someone on a true fast without any carbohydrate intake.

He became very cold and weak and couldn't get warm, which caught my attention as I was energised to a good degree. When I examined him I found him to have a low body temp and dilated pupils and seemed to be almost incoherent.

After I found out he'd unknowingly been in a ketogenic state I gave him some lemonade and a couple of freddo frogs and he came good in about 10 minutes.

I think many of these psychedelics have the potential to alter the creb cycle (with absolutely no proof, it's just an observation I've witnessed several times) and burn off any free glycogen in a relatively short time, if you are ketogenic this effect can happen quite fast and you can easily mistake the symptoms as effects of the substance you have taken. It has the potential to become dangerous quite quickly if the symtoms aren't recognised in time.

I could be way off the mark about altered creb cycles, it could just be an extra demand for glycogen in the brain/body, maybe Corpus could chime in correct me if I'm wrong on that point. I will say that I have witnessed symptoms of hypoglycemia in people on psychedelics regardless of the mechanism behind it and it can be dangerous.

That was such a detailed and pure response CaesarOfMex, and exactly why I asked the questions - I didn't want to provide advice before knowing who it was I was conversating with!

Your intention reads very pure as well, it was a pleasure to see. My advice would be similar to other members - begin small (much easier to add inputs than remove them once they are in), comfortable location, mind clear, confident, and stable, make sure your sources are pure, research potential interactions between the combination, always have an exit strategy and a gentle way to merge back into this reality, sit back, learn and enjoy. And if you are an analytically minded type, having a device to record the new thoughts and perceptions that arrive is always fun to look back on down the road.