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Advice please regarding Virola Theidora extraction experiment...in the wrong place maybe. Options
 
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#1 Posted : 6/11/2014 11:14:50 PM

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So swim was gifted 200 grams of virola theidora wood chips. Not resin. Swim read that some people boil water and suspend the wood over the steam to "sweat out" the resin contained in the wood which supposedly contains DMT and 5meoDmt among others. So swim took 100 grams of bark and place them in a one gallon glass wine jug with a small amount of water/vinegar solution about an inch in depth.
Swim put the gallon jug inside a large stock pot with water in it about three inches deep to perform a hot water bath and hopefully sweat out the resin. After 6 hours of this on low simmer swim strained out the bark and placed the red colored aqueous solution in a pyrex baking dish into the oven at 200°f to reduce it down to a syrupy consistency. While the reduction was taking place swim boiled the virola bark chips again for 3 hours but the solution was much lighter in color so I did not bother with that step again.
After reducing all of the solution down to a thick blood red syrup swim decided to add a small splash of vinegar and water solution and measure pH which was at pH 3-4. Swim then added a calcium hydroxide solution to said mixture and got to pH of 9-10. Swim mixed the solution thoroughly and allowed to settle over night. The next after noon there was a light red/orange almost peach color clear liquid on top and gray sludge on the bottom. Swim Siphoned off the orange liquid on top and added it to a jar containing 91% isopropyl alcohol. The solution immediately turned milky white. Like cream colored.
What happened here? Will the iso pull any actives and seperate from the aqueous solution? Or am I wasting my time? Any input from endlessness or nen888 or entropymancer would be GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANKS
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#2 Posted : 6/12/2014 1:10:14 AM

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So I had a question in a post titled the same as this one but I put it in the plant analysis and research section. But I would still appreciate some input on that post. Apologies for pitting it in the wrong place but any advice or criticism especially from Endlessness, nen888 or Entropymancer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again.
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#3 Posted : 6/12/2014 10:58:52 AM

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If there are any actives like dmt and calcium hydroxide there in the first place, yes the IPA should pull them.

Not exactly sure what the cloudying is, might be related with inactive calcium salts or what not.. In either case I´d now evaporate the IPA and see what you have. Then you can proceed to further purify it, or bioassay it, or whatever. Please let us know how it goes!

I also highly suggest you get some ehrlich reagent, it will help finding what you might have there. Good luck and let us know!
 
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#4 Posted : 6/12/2014 2:49:27 PM

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I definitely will do. Thank you for taking the time to provide me with some feedback. I always enjoy your posts Endlessness.
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#5 Posted : 6/12/2014 7:36:25 PM

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I dont know why that picture came out sideways but as I said the top layer is the isopropyl alcohol and the botttom is whatever the epena syrup congealed into after I added the iso to the calcium hydroxide solution. Insatant milky weirdness. Will siphon of top layer and evap and post results of bioassay as soon as possible.
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#6 Posted : 6/12/2014 8:39:38 PM

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Thanks! Smile

Don´t throw the bottom layer out yet either, till you finish the whole thing.

Now that I re-read you post I noticed something. Usually when I do a dry tek and pull with ethanol, I dry the base/plant material mix, before I add the IPA/ethanol.

In any case, let´s see what comes out, I´m interested to see the results Smile
 
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#7 Posted : 6/12/2014 9:08:52 PM

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I wont toss anything yet. I was able to siphon off some more of the initial vinegar/epena syrup solution from the first jar I decanted and I added that to the jar I posted the picture of. Im allowing it to settle at room temp this time and I agitated it thoroughly kne last time. I wasnt able to actually dry the thick syrup I ended up with after the acid "sweat" bath or whatever it was. I ended up scorching my first attempt that way due to leaving it in the oven too long. I was just thinking I should have maybe done at least one defat but I didnt have much syrup to work with and I didnt want to risk losing any of the material.
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