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Harmine as MAOI for Acacia Confusa. Options
 
Sabnock
#21 Posted : 6/3/2014 4:28:22 PM
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pitubo wrote:

My reasons are not very strong, but still:
- Because I have the HCl salt.
- Because using the salt makes less demand on the stomach.
- Because the freebase is more sticky, thus a bit harder to handle than the free flowing HCl needles.
- Because the freebase makes nasty stains, the salt doesn't.


I see. For me though, the freebase has done rather well in the stomach, there's still some nausea and purging but atleast it's way easier on the stomach than raw Rue is lol. And as for freebase being sticky, it's never been sticky for me, it's a lovely freebase powder that is very easy to handle and load into a capsule. And i'm not too sure the salt doesn't leave stains, afterall, the salt form is easily dissolved and the tiniest bit of water can dissolve it, while with freebase i've gotten it's on my hands, my clothes, even on a table and it hasn't stained one bit. In fact, the only time i stain something, is when i'm processing the Rue seed and accidentally get a drop of brew or what not on the counter top and it leaves and yellow stain, that's the only time i've encountered stains.

pitubo wrote:

Other than that, I do not disagree much with most of your observations, except:
- Well-prepared HCl salt contains little or no NaCl residue.
- Washing soda can come as anhydrous, monohydrate, pentahydrate or decahydrate. 10 grams of what do you use?
- Especially in the initial basing steps, lye is more useful.


Yeah one can make pretty crystals with the HCL salts that aren't contaminated much if at all, however most i use table salt and i don't precipitate out crystals, not that i care to anyways, crystals really aren't important to me, i'd much rather have a freebase powder.

I heat up baking soda in the oven at 400 degrees for an hour, which turns it into washing soda, anhydrous if i'm not mistaken.

And lye sucks, i'll never use lye, why would i when i can base Rue/Harmalas and DMT with washing soda? Washings soda is a great base, and get's all the goods, ime.
 

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DansMaTete
#22 Posted : 6/4/2014 2:42:24 AM

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My bad, i made some mistakes in my report and i haven't been clear:

This 4th time, i felt some nausea but it wasn't intense (see below for the intense one), it was a "regular" nausea. When i vaped the DMT, i forgot about the nausea but i had this feeling coming from the belly area (difficult to know from where when the notion of body is vague). It wasn't proper pain but more like a very unconfortable feeling i never had. I couldn't focus on something else and i kept thinking "it's gona pass, it's not for ever, it's like to be tortured but i'm not physicaly in danger, wait, ...". And on the come down i realised it was just my nausea.

I don't think i have big problem with harmalas, it just seems i'm prone to nausea with it. Not a big deal but it makes my attemps sometime difficult.

Like this time with intense nausea : it was between the 3rd and 4th try, i though i have to test harmalas by themselves because i never felt the symptoms (tracers, drunk feeling)of them as mentioned by lots of peoples. So i took 300mg and as effects where very light after 1 hour, i took 300mg more. I know the step is big but i was a bit frustrated (read : pissed off)so i bit the bullet. And 2 hours after that i was really sick. I couldn't move, felt too dizzy, my world was made of tracers and the nausea was picking up and up. I knew i will have to purge and it came, first time to empty my stomach and the second time (20 min later) to try to turn it inside out like a sock. Not a lot of fun. And Like a previous time, after the purge, i didn't feel released. When i start to vape some weed it was a little bit better.

Effects of harmalas : i don't know what to think. By themselves, i don't see the point, i was a bit dreamy but nothing very interesting. Combined with DMT, it seems the right dose makes me too sick to enjoy the trip. I tried ginger root extract but it didn't help and i don't want to mix weed and pharma. I don't want but i probably will.


About harmine/harmaline ratio. For sure, without proper test it's difficult to know exactly what's in. My reasoning is, if everything (at least 90% but more 95%) precipitate under a pH of 8,8 (see Infundibulum work), it's mostly harmine (i have to chek my pH-metre accuracy).


Anyway, i still have to work on it. And Thanks for your inputs




And sorry to hijack this thread.
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maranello551
#23 Posted : 6/4/2014 6:18:21 AM
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maranello551 wrote:
Is there also a difference in visuals when using rue as opposed to extracted harmala alkaloids? I'm asking becasue SWIM has had 4 anahuasca experiences with ACRB and rue and only 2 out of 4 have worked. Please help him out.

1st (successful): 2.7g rue (powdered and swallowed),waited 30 min, 22g ACRB (shredded made into tea), night time. (Successful level 3-4 for about 5 hours.)
2nd (unsuccessful): 3.5 rue, waited 1 hour, ~20g ACRB, day time. (Felt very ill, puffed hard and had level 2-3 for only 1 hours and level 1-2 for the another hour.)
3rd (successful): 2.8g rue, waited 22 minutes, 22g ACRB, night. (Level 3-5 for 5-6 hours straight; about as strong as a just-subbreakthrough vaped experience for 2 hours and as strong as a 7-8g mushroom experience for another 3 hours or so.
4th (unsuccessful): 2.8 different rue (from persian market), waited 20 min., 22g ACRB tea (used 50% less water than usual to make tea), day time. (Level 1-2 for about an hour and and then died down right after purge. (Held down purge for about an hour)

What the heck is going on?? Does it only work at night?


Any idea why my day brews didn't work?
 
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