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Hydroponic acacia growing? Options
 
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#1 Posted : 8/8/2011 3:37:13 AM

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Hi there, just wondering whether anybody has ever attempted to grow an acacia species under lights? and if so, what effect would this have on the speed of its growth, but more importantly its alkaloid content
 

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#2 Posted : 8/8/2011 3:44:18 AM
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..hey bricklaya, only ever heard of this for tissue culture (ie.cloning root cuttings), never to grow full plants..interesting (though maybe not neccessary) idea..nitrogen should boost alkaloids (in or outdoors)...
 
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#3 Posted : 8/8/2011 4:16:19 AM

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oh ok.. hmm i wonder how it would go. reason i'm asking is because i'm not sure how an acacia dominantly native to WA will grow in VIC. How long do acacias take to grow to a size where harvesting wont kill them?
 
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#4 Posted : 5/30/2014 4:28:15 AM

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I'm currently growing Acacia's under LED lights. I'm using the UFO 135 , which has both spectrum.

I'm about to purchase a switchable LED light and will try just the growing spectrum to see how they handle.

I got back from central NSW and asked my wife to look after the LED light for 2 days... I had the light about 3 inches above my Oxycedrus.... came back it was dried, burnt and dead (thanks wifey!) this would not be from the heat, but probably too much UV exposure too early on.

I've move the LED lights about a foot above the plants now, I'm keeping it on 12hrs at the moment... Just have to do a little more reading. I'm interested to find out how acacia's respond in terms of heat, light hours, light strength, light spectrum. I know a little about how cannabis responds to light hours and spectrum's, but I don't think acacias work the same way


I think with the LED's being up to 75% more efficient, they may be viable for Acacias (if you are looking at it from a $'s perspective), as the lights last 50,000 hrs, or 6.5years on a 16hr day...


This pic below is how I initially set it up in my cupboard, but since then I have fixed it, added fans etc.

I just need to get a heat source from underneath to help promote roots to grow deep - will probably put in a heat rope or something


Not exactly "hydroponic". I'm yet to test growing them in soil free solution. I don't know much about it yet, but I don't imagine rhyzobium bacteria would do well in these conditions
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#5 Posted : 5/30/2014 4:41:43 AM

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Dont forget the rhizobium fertilizer!
 
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I'm currently using ozmocote, but I was recommended in this thread by Hieronymous to use low nitrogen soil...

I've been trying to find my own rhyzobium bacteria but haven't had much opportunity lately. I may look at buying some commercial inoculate next week.
Throughout recorded time and long before, trees have stood as sentinels, wise yet silent, patiently accumulating their rings while the storms of history have raged around them --The living wisdom of trees, Fred Hageneder
 
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#7 Posted : 5/30/2014 5:43:07 AM

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Regarding light spectrums:
Quote:
Heteroblastic development and shade-avoidance in response to blue and red light signals in Acacia implexa.


Abstract
Information from blue (400-500 nm) and red (660-730 nm) wavelengths is used by plants to determine proximity of neighbors or actual shading. Plants undergo trait changes in order to out-compete neighbors or accommodate shading. Heteroblasty, the dramatic shift from one leaf type to another during juvenility, can be influenced by the light environment although it is unknown whether cues from blue or red (or both) are driving the developmental process. Seedlings of three populations of Acacia implexa (Mimosaceae) collected from low, medium and high rainfall habitats were grown in a factorial design of high/low blue and red light to determine how light signals affect heteroblasty and patterns of biomass allocation. Low blue light significantly delayed heteroblasty in the low rainfall population and low red light significantly delayed in the low and high rainfall populations. Low blue light increased stem elongation and decreased root biomass whereas low red light induced a strong shade-avoidance response. These results were consistent across populations although the low rainfall population showed greater trait variability in response to red light signals. We conclude that red light conveys a greater information signal than blue light that affects heteroblasty and seedling development in A. implexa.

Reference: School of Biological, Earth and Environmental Sciences, Evolution and Ecology Research Centre, University of New South Wales, Sydney, NSW, Australia. micf@rpb2.com



Also, regarding using elevate CO2:
The response of fast- and slow-growing Acacia species
to elevated atmospheric CO2:
an analysis of the underlying components of relative growth rate

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