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Seldom
#1 Posted : 5/25/2014 2:47:00 AM

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I don't post here often, and don't often imbibe, but one thing i love about you guys here at the nexus that keeps me coming back is the admirable orientation to spiritual concerns that you have.

I'm going to be here at the computer most of the day doing coursework, but i'm always interested in hearing some of you guys so I just thought as an aside i'd throw this out there and see what comes back:

What place does knowledge of the form knowing-that or knowing-what (as distinct from procedural 'knowledge how' ) have for your way of being in the world? Is your epistemological bias:

Socratic?

Is there such a thing as innate knowledge?

Is all knowledge recollection?

Is knowledge just a social fabrication furnished by the contingencies of history?

Is it a partial view of some kind of 'akashic record'?

Does the mind have a pre-established affinity with truth?

Is it composed of free-floating mind-independent entities that visit you at their whim?

Is it merely justified true belief?

Is it always secondary to the striving of malicious human wills?

Does knowledge reveal or obfuscate the phenomena it's supposed to address ?

Or something else .. ?


> How has DMT changed what you 'know' about knowing ?
 

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#2 Posted : 5/25/2014 9:57:28 AM

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Seldom wrote:


What place does knowledge of the form knowing-that or knowing-what (as distinct from procedural 'knowledge how' ) have for your way of being in the world? Is your epistemological bias:

Socratic?

Is there such a thing as innate knowledge?
I'm not sure, it's possible we're born with some innate knowledge, but whose to say all that is learned is not new from birth on. If I understand your question right.

Is all knowledge recollection?
Yes I suppose. Knowledge is a function of that which has birthed this place. We are the universe coming to know itself.. it has at once, always been here, and is at once changing and becoming anew.
Is knowledge just a social fabrication furnished by the contingencies of history?
Maybe. I'm not sure I can answer that haha.

Is it a partial view of some kind of 'akashic record'?
I read a bit of the akashic field book, but not all. All is in formation. I'm not sure what is recollected and what is born anew. Sort of like.. has this all already happened? has this all been this way always? Every truth contained in the whole?

Does the mind have a pre-established affinity with truth?
Probably.
Is it composed of free-floating mind-independent entities that visit you at their whim?

Is it merely justified true belief?

Is it always secondary to the striving of malicious human wills?

Does knowledge reveal or obfuscate the phenomena it's supposed to address ?
Maybe, but whatever it is.. it can't be 'against the grain' or backwards progress. Knowledge is some expression of discovery. By reducing phenomena, we do often lose sight of truth or the way things are, but these are all means of coming to know the same thing. What is true or right anyway?
Or something else .. ?


> How has DMT changed what you 'know' about knowing ?

Hm. It really let me into sort of innate knowledge or a solid understanding of the eternal nature of things. It also lets me know that others don't know. Including myself.. one can only know a fraction of the whole.


Late night ramblings. Probably a little vague and less philosophically sharp, with regard to definitions of knowledge and things, but I hope it gives you something to think about - as it gave me things to think about.

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#3 Posted : 5/25/2014 12:00:50 PM

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I'm slightly optimistic, but I tend to have more of a Socratic approach to learning about the "true" nature of the world. Real truth must cross all boundaries and culture, irrespective of religion - like Algebra.

There obviously is a clear distinction between "knowledge" and "behaviour". We don't normally kill each other, because we "know" this is wrong. But is this intrinsic? Or just behaviour due to the ways chemistry works in the body... in the same way a "zombie souls" may act

Is knowledge the same as belief?
Throughout recorded time and long before, trees have stood as sentinels, wise yet silent, patiently accumulating their rings while the storms of history have raged around them --The living wisdom of trees, Fred Hageneder
 
Seldom
#4 Posted : 5/25/2014 1:29:07 PM

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nah
 
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#5 Posted : 5/25/2014 2:13:28 PM

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So rationally, "beliefs" can be change based on new "knowledge"

---Is there such a thing as innate knowledge?
So, I'd argue we have innate belief (for example, killing other people is wrong). The problem, is these beliefs can be changed based on external input (such as indoctrination). But does this mean, "knowledge" must come from externally changed, or reaffirmed beliefs... and therefore cannot be innate or intrinsic..?


---Is all knowledge recollection?
If it is NOT innate, then it must be recollected.
Thou.."recollection" is to "recall something from the past", and seeing as we are all living several milliseconds in the past, then it would have to be recollected.

---Is knowledge just a social fabrication furnished by the contingencies of history?
I think that new knowledge can also come from within as revelations, due to a combination of past experiences of your social and personal experiences.

---Is it a partial view of some kind of 'akashic record'?
Need to google that record Smile

---Does the mind have a pre-established affinity with truth?
This is an interesting and quite thought provoking question. I'm gonna have a sleep on this one.

---Is it composed of free-floating mind-independent entities that visit you at their whim?
Probably not

---Is it merely justified true belief?
I think the knowledge comes before the belief process

---Is it always secondary to the striving of malicious human wills?
Hmmmmm...Confused

---Does knowledge reveal or obfuscate the phenomena it's supposed to address ?
What's the phenomena it's supposed to address?


> How has DMT changed what you 'know' about knowing ?
I've felt the experience of "knowing everything" when landing back from hyperspace before, specifically with Confusa... And I even KNEW at the time I was going to forget it...
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#6 Posted : 5/25/2014 2:15:00 PM

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knowledge is phenomena also

there is a resonance first. and then combinations of things yielding different aspects of the same cascade continuously through the mind and which effectively constitute the mind. a frameworks of epistemology stuck in free-fall, in a permanently precarized state of readjustment. like a weather pattern.

things come to me without my thinking about them, as if they were there under my nose all along and my gaze happened to settle on something at random. in this way one could say I am for the equation of knowledge to recollection.
 
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#7 Posted : 5/25/2014 2:44:30 PM

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thymamai wrote:

things come to me without my thinking about them, as if they were there under my nose all along and my gaze happened to settle on something at random. in this way one could say I am for the equation of knowledge to recollection.


Everything comes to you without you "thinking" it. Thought's simply appear in consciousness. To suggest otherwise it to suggest that you thought of a thought, before you thought it.. and so on ..into transgression

Is knowledge then just stimulus from your senses into your brain? (both conscious and subconscious)
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#8 Posted : 5/25/2014 11:28:07 PM

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That's quite possible, no idea really. It was an exhausted and drooping eyelidded way of saying that it's likely there are different ways of knowing just as there are different kinds of knowledge (epistemology).. and sometimes if you only open your head you can more or less trip balls without imbibing anything.
 
 
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