recently I have come to find out about the Amplituhedron - Google it if you don't know anything abou it.
and I realised that it is very similar to something that I have seen in large scale before, while on dmt.

Physicist should do dmt, and instead of having closed eye dmt trips they should keep their eyes open and make sense of the underlying structure of what they are seeing. And when they come out, then to start making theories and building mathematical formulas based on what they saw.

Studying particles colliding is interesting and all but altering your perception in order to peek deeper into reality is for me a better tool. It is completely stupid people are not doing this, I imagine in the next 30 years an intelligent physicist is going to come out with amazing theories based on his dmt trips and he is going to acknowledge dmt as an important catalyst for his theories and then all people trying to examine reality are going to be doing dmt. And then we can start talking about global change. Science needs to catch up quickly.

So if you are a physicist please find some dmt and experiment.

And might I add:

Pretty please?

I've always thought that to be an interesting idea. I think scientists
would at least be intrigued by the consistency of these kinds of experiences and
use it as a possible springboard for new ways of looking at classic problems. I really
think certain scientists would be shocked by it .

Along with that I've always thought that doing dmt in space would
be an interesting prospect as well .

I was a scientist, a physicist to be exact. I did DMT.

It didn't help.

I don't think there is any necessary relationship between DMT trips and new theories for science, though I'm not saying it won't ever happen. Just that DMT isn't a sure fire to understanding the secrets of the universe, just as it isn't a sure fire for enlightenment.

I quit physics. I quit DMT for now.

I'm trying to figure out the universe now by living fully in it and by cultivating joy.

This thread sounds somehow preachy to me - do DMT and you will see the light. Just that "the light" here is replaced by "the new theory of everything". Bla, I just don't think that's what DMT is about, nor is this that kind of thing I would want to be pushing on people.

I can recall one acid trip in particular where I smoked DMT at the peak. I believe my eyes opened themselves, and I saw what I likened to Einstein's mental laboratory opened up before my eyes. I could see all these mathematical formulae and arching vectors and trajectories. It was all very macroscopic. You know that scene in the movie Prometheus...you know...the only good one in the whole movie with the holographic planetary imagery? I felt like I was in the center of that looking outward, but I had that experience long before that terrible movie came out.

I think cognitive scientists and neuroscientists would get more out of DMT than physicists. I don't think DMT shows us as much about the actual measurable universe, so much as it shows us about how we perceive the universe.

My two cents
~ND

I have studied physics and tried DMT. It did not help me with the physics at all... Hard work seems to be the only way unfortunately.

interesting replies, thanks.

I don't think every physicist / scientist will all of the sudden understand everything if they do dmt. You still have to apply methodic analysis and dedicate your whole life to your specific scientific field. Hence if you were a mediocre scientist, doing dmt won't make you a better one, you will still be mediocre.

As a physicist or any type scientist you first need to have a love for what you do, and be immersed in it like a mad genius, then take some dmt and open your eyes in the middle of the trip take a look around and try to understand what you perceived. Then apply the same rigor to your work as before but with a heighten sense of reality, then for sure we will see more breakthroughs in science.

At the simplest I think everyone agrees that dmt is an imagination catalyst, and more imagination in science and any field for that matter is a great improvement.

Since science can be argued to be our contemporary religion then we should urge scientist to do dmt.

I find this to be a poorly reasoned argument and it is beginning to sound a bit like zealotry.

Also, if you can open your eyes and look around during the middle of a DMT experience (and if it makes one iota of difference), I would suggest trying to take a little more.

It is a very simple argument but not poorly reasoned. Nevertheless you are entitled to your opinion .

One more time for simplicity sake -

Dmt expands the imagination greatly- even at the least for 10 minutes

Inventions are mostly products of our imagination.

Hence

doing dmt helps inventions.

This to me is sound. the opposite of zealotry

Now we can extrapolate that argument and say that scientist should do dmt, to be more inventive.

We cannot prove that opening your eyes during dmt trip helps you peer into reality but we cannot also unprove it.
In my opinion an intelligent person will keep the possibility open . Specially if your job is trying to understand reality

^well said,

I'd like to point out also, my friend has done shrooms a handful of times hasn't tried dmt. but on these shrooms he soars through space and claims to see and even understand complicated mathematical formula about space and time. while in ordinary reality, he is really kind of a knucklehead who knows nothing of mathematics whatsoever!

This argument you're making hinges on the first premise - that DMT expands the imagination greatly. Now I know there are others in line to disagree with me on this, but I don't believe that DMT expands the imagination within the experience. That is not the part of the mind with which I believe we are interacting when we take DMT. Afterward is a whole other story though. I would say that DMT has augmented my imagination in the sense that I can "compose" imaginative thoughts in the DMT style - things that I've never seen in hyperspace, yet can build (weakly) in my mind through the prior observation of certain principles of hyperspace geometry, themes and aesthetics.

Not to be too hard on you though because I do feel that DMT could be of use to physicists in the same way it can be useful to artists or musicians. There are artistic and musical elements in that realm. Does being in the presence of these elements make you a better artist or musician, or allow you to understand the craft more - no, but what it does provide is inspiration. Likewise, there are very unique observable mechanics that take place in that world. The way space and time can be treated there can be mind bending. All sorts of phenomena come into play that physicsts deal with on a regular basis such as frequency and its subsets of light, sound etc...as well as certain gyroscopic features and the interactions of various planes (dimensions). Just because a physicist would be present to observe all these things doesn't mean he'll do much with it, or that it will make him a better physicist, but perhaps it will act as a decent source of inspiration in some form, be it directly or not. DMT can be one hell of a muse.

My housemate at Uni used to smoke joint after joint then throw himself into equations for hours on end. To others it may not help at all, the same as many things.
Many great minds have been allied with various substances but some areas of science are very psychedelic by nature such as quantum mechanics or neuro science. The same realisations,that this plane we exist on is exponentially more complex than we could have imagined is very similar to the epithanies that can be had on psycedelics.
In my opinion any substance that expands the mind and enables a different way of thinking or perspective is worth exploring for anyone interested in furthering there understanding, be that profesional or layman.
The human mind is a powerful thing who knows what could be discovered in hyperspace, that eureka moment could be hiding amongst all the complex psycedelia and visions.
On a tangent I think politicians should all have to ingest a visionary dose of dmt before they can operate professionally but thats a different subject..

I think it's a fallacy to think that only because you have had profound experiences with a substance, that everyone will have them. There is enough proof out there for the opposite. Enough people are playing with psychedelics without having epiphanies, working through traumas or doing any kind of profound work. There is nothing wrong with this, it's simply how it is. Thus the whole idea of saying this group of professionals should all be made to take DMT to me sounds very closed minded and preachy. It's the kind of thing I would run away from if encountered in real life.

The famous eureka moment, as legend has it, happened in a bathtub or something similar. It could happen anywhere, really, under any kind of circumstance and psychedelics don't have to be involved. it really brushes me the wrong way when people start saying anyone ought to, or should do DMT (because it will give predictable positive results)... DMT is a very very interesting substance, but it's not a cure-for-all, or an unambiguous revelation handed to you on a silver plate. It's confusing and intreaguing, fascinating, awe-inspiring - but that doesn't necessarily mean it will make you a better person or a more imaginative thinker. I don't believe that there is a strict correlation there.

Also when it comes to math and physics I find LSD far more useful for divulging these kinds of subjects than DMT. I still don't think anyone ought to DMT or even LSD though. People ought to do whatever works for them and try whatever they feel is part of their path.

http://www.ibtimes.com/quantum-jewels-hypercubes-wild-shapes-hyperdimensional-geometry-pictures-1409004

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http://www.rotman.uwo.ca/2012/quantum-and-geometric-possibility/

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Two interesting articles to add.

Enon

I see what you are saying - the fallacy is in the generality, and you are right- I should have been more specific.
and thanks I have learned a lot by your post. I can see how it can brush some people the wrong way.

Not everyone should do psychedelics
they don't affect everyone the same way
some people might not see what you see and thus they might feel disappointed by an experience that otherwise could have been revealing.
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This is all true
I would never want to debate against that.

Nevertheless my point of view is less conservative
For me we should Bring the Eleusinian Mysteries & Elusis rites back, everyone should do it!

But for everyones sake maybe this is more acceptable.:

"Any physicist that is interested in exploring the dmt realms please go ahead and try it, it just might help you."

Global
You are completely right, it might not be the imagination at all. I used the imagination term loosely . And definitely Inspiration would have been a better word for that argument.

In a way for me Dmt is mostly and awe-inspiring short experience and then the power is in the lasting inspiration it brings for months on endm the thoughts, ideas, concepts, art, math, physics etc
This is how dmt has impacted me, and then I rush to say things like - all physicist should do it. silly me.


Cognitive-
cool links.

this.

you're not really going to learn anything unless you can apply it.


how are you doing nowadays, Enoon?
haven't seen you on here in a while

There's no doubt that DMT can be used as a tool for certain fields. Some fields (such as physics I imagine), that would require more of a state of mind that is rationally thinking, would probably not be one of them

'Theoretical physics', possibly.

Saying that, I've not only solved complex problems in my dreams, I've also had moment during the "landing" phase back from hyperspace, where I just understood everything....

..the problems, is I just never damn remember it once I wake out of it

Everything we understand is through ..[mental language]..as in [dream language].. and maybe the language DMT offers is not yet fully understood even by our book reading schooled elite...
Maybe the shamans understand a language that is so advanced and old that it doesnt make sense to the western world of modern profesionals..
Ive learnt through my many atempts at lucid dreaming that the mind talks to us through emotion and symbols...
DmT is worthy of respect.. and has much to tell us. especialy Salvia Divinorum with its awesom mind bending effects...
I think that an oral DMT trip may alow many a better chance to understsand what its trying to tell us because of its slower longer pace..
my two cents...