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darklordsson
#1 Posted : 5/23/2014 5:35:01 AM

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I tried the meratic acid bath for ACRB, and the pot was slightly aluminum, can i save the DMT from aluminum ox? IDK, I need help please, looked at the pot said stainless, but now i need to be more carful any help wouold help, im just trying to see if i can wash it or anything to get what i botched up plz help friends!
 

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#2 Posted : 5/23/2014 6:05:00 AM

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darklordsson wrote:

I tried the meratic acid bath for ACRB, and the pot was slightly aluminum, can i save the DMT from aluminum ox? IDK, I need help please, looked at the pot said stainless, but now i need to be more carful any help wouold help, im just trying to see if i can wash it or anything to get what i botched up plz help friends!

How do you know it's conteminated with aluminum ??
 
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#3 Posted : 5/23/2014 6:08:20 AM

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the side of the pot is decompsing into a grey film and is not magnetic, plus, when i evaped the fianl product it was greyer than usual, i think it pulled some of that junk into the naptha, idk, i just dont trust it, it ate a lil of the pot, or just the surface of it. May of contaminated acid solution and the naptha or is aluminum ox. saluable in naptha?
Thanks for the response i appreciate it!
 
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#4 Posted : 5/23/2014 7:14:08 AM

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darklordsson wrote:
the side of the pot is decompsing into a grey film and is not magnetic, plus, when i evaped the fianl product it was greyer than usual, i think it pulled some of that junk into the naptha, idk, i just dont trust it, it ate a lil of the pot, or just the surface of it. May of contaminated acid solution and the naptha or is aluminum ox. saluable in naptha?
Thanks for the response i appreciate it!


I don't no , about the acid you used was it hcl or vinegar ?? If the crystals have turned grey it sounds as if it's conteminated to some degree !! Acid boil route , can I ask why you use these TEKs Stop when there is no reason to do so !! If you using ACRB even just use Cybs hybrid or max-ion it's just so much easier strt forward and yeilds a cleaner product IMHO !! Thumbs up
 
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#5 Posted : 5/23/2014 3:24:30 PM

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Op said " meratic acid bath" so hcl?
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#6 Posted : 5/23/2014 3:28:55 PM
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#7 Posted : 5/23/2014 4:13:17 PM

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Earthwalker wrote:
Acid boil route , can I ask why you use these TEKs Stop when there is no reason to do so !! If you using ACRB even just use Cybs hybrid or max-ion it's just so much easier strt forward and yeilds a cleaner product IMHO !!

Nothing wrong with A/B, can’t see a good reason to use other forms of extraction for DMT myself.
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#8 Posted : 5/23/2014 4:37:22 PM

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null24 wrote:
Op said " meratic acid bath" so hcl?


yes, hydrocloric acid would be the culprit, I was doing the tech as an experiment, it works its just dirty, the problem was the pot to begin with, if i use a stainless steel pot it wont happen from what i know, but we live, we learn, and we dont do it again, lol. But it needs perfection from what ive seen it really does break the bark down and it does throw it into the naptha, but it took some of the aluminum with it, conclusion is it can be done, it just needs the right vessil for acid bath from what i know now. But what im figuring out is how to remove the aluminum ox. from the final product. I jst need to research if a wash would pull the aluminum ox. or if there is another thing im missing, but ill keep trying and see if i can remove the impurities, also, on another note, i dont plan on using a boiling pot unless im sure its stainless for next time if i plan to repeat the prosedure.

Thanks for the feed back guys!
 
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#9 Posted : 5/23/2014 4:48:19 PM

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Stainless steel is not completely resistant to acids. It depends on the grade of the stainless steel and the type of acid being used. For the most part, stainless steel is NOT resistant to HCl, even at lower concentrations.

Most stainless steel cookware is type 304, more commonly known as "18/8" (18% Chromium, 8% nickel).

The British Stainless Steel Association states:
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The common stainless steel types, 304 and 316 should be considered non-resistant to hydrochloric acid at any concentration and temperature.
Higher grades of stainless steel can have limited resistance, up to around 3% maximum at ambient temperatures, but may suffer local attack, mainly as crevice and pitting corrosion, even at such low concentrations.

Any additional chlorides or chlorine in the acid can be expected to make attack more severe.
Nickel based alloys, rather than stainless steels, should be considered for handling hydrochloric acid.

http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=30

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Furthermore, most tap water is chlorinated. So if you're using tap water with HCl to do your acid boils in a 304 stainless steel pot, you're headed for trouble.

Also, magnets cannot always tell you if have stainless steel. Austenitic stainless steel is not magnetic. Most stainless steel used in cookware is from the 300 series of stainless, all 300's are austenitic.

I've had the same issue occur with stainless steel pots, which is why I researched all of this. I ended up ditching the extraction entirely because I could never feel comfortable smoking DMT that I felt was contaminated with compounds that I neither knew nor understood.

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#10 Posted : 5/23/2014 4:52:48 PM

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wearepeople wrote:
Stainless steel is not completely resistant to acids. It depends on the grade of the stainless steel and the type of acid being used. For the most part, stainless steel is NOT resistant to HCl, even at lower concentrations.

Also, magnets cannot always tell you if have stainless steel. Austenitic stainless steel is not magnetic.

I've had the same issue occur with very cheap stainless steel pots. I ended up ditching the extraction entirely because I could never feel comfortable smoking DMT that I felt was contaminated with compounds that I neither knew nor understood.

Best wishes,
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Hey, thanks I do appriciate it, ill ditch the last batch an start anew, better not to take the risk. IDK if it is washable, but im not gonna take the risk, thanks for the opinion, ima gonna listen Very happy but, where would we all be without experiments? lolThumbs up
 
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#11 Posted : 5/23/2014 4:58:54 PM

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darklordsson,

I added/edited some more info to the post above.

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#12 Posted : 5/23/2014 5:09:11 PM

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Also,

I'd recommend doing acid boils in a ceramic vessel. High temp glass is also a ceramic.

Crockpot cooks FTW.

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#13 Posted : 5/23/2014 5:29:45 PM

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Good information, Ill probably get highgrade ceramic glass wear for boiling next time, it was a fun experiment tho,as for the result, not so much, but thankyou for the info and lead on site information, Ill be more carful next time i go for the hydro acid bath. If I find a tech that works well and clean ill post it for a new tech, if it works, i have faith it was jus the damn pot tho, should of researched it all before, never knew it would go into stainless, but now i have a larger bigger understanding of these chemicals thank you all for all your help.

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#14 Posted : 5/24/2014 3:47:42 AM

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Or solve it the other way: use a regular steel cooking pan, but use acetic acid instead of muriatic acid. Acetic is much milder on your kitchenware, the molecules you are extracting and last but not least, any iron object in the vicinity of the hot acid vapors.

Another good reason to go with acetic acid is that it is easily obtainable as food grade, whereas muriatic acid likely isn't (pool grade or hardware store grade muriatic acid is not food grade.)
 
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#15 Posted : 5/24/2014 5:50:30 AM

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d*l*b wrote:
Earthwalker wrote:
Acid boil route , can I ask why you use these TEKs Stop when there is no reason to do so !! If you using ACRB even just use Cybs hybrid or max-ion it's just so much easier strt forward and yeilds a cleaner product IMHO !!

Nothing wrong with A/B, can’t see a good reason to use other forms of extraction for DMT myself.


What happened to experimenting and finding better ways? We all gotta mess up to get it right, soo idk why the conversation went in this direction.

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