^..A. longifolia is fast..for really small, Acacia drummondii is nice, but has pinnae, although same flower type...all really small acacias i can think of for now are ball flowered..

thank you Seldom..safe travels too..

..stay well all..

Would A. drummondi be flowering at the same time as the Inland Jam ?

I've only ever seen one & it didn't start flowering until mid November. My Inland Jams were finished flowering by then, around here they start flowering in late winter and finish by mid September at the latest.

I have no idea if the pollen stays viable long enough to save it for cross pollination.

It's an interesting prospect and worth looking into.

I've read of various techniques to make a flower accept pollen from a different species, cactus & orchid breeders have been doing it for a while. Some that come to mind are electro-stimulation and the use of an irritant to make the flowers accept the pollen.

It's been a while, but I remember reading about using an alkali such as cement as an irritant, the receptive flower is dusted with the alkali irritant (doesn't have to cement) and then the pollen is brushed on. For the electro stimulation they use a conductive paint brush dipped in pollen that has a voltage applied between the brush and the plant, when the brush contacts the flower the circuit is completed and it fools the flower into accepting the foreign pollen.

Something fast growing with big fat phyllodes would be a nice cross.

Anyone know of alkaloids in A. Decurrens?

I've received a couple requests for this paper so I thought to make things easier it could be posted as an attachment here.

Attached

Muhammad, Saleem; Mushtaq, Ahmad; Ashfaq, Ahmad. Chemistry of the medicinal plants of genus Acacia. Hamdard Medicus (1998 ) 41(1) 63-67.

Not sure if this has been posted before, sorry if so... In reference to Acacia longifolia and Acacia cultriformis

Reference is Edible Medicinal And Non-Medicinal Plants
2014, Springer

Very interesting its the most detailed phytochemical report of a.longifolia Ive seen. Its the first time Ive seen phenethylamine mentioned as being present in the stems and phyllodes too.
A search on one of the flavanoids brought up this page http://www.visaoacademic...pr.br/v4n1/flav_res2.htm
Note it has anti-fungal properties, something that has been discussed as having a possible use in treating cancer.

^..(returning from meditations) the full medicinal properties of acacias are only just being realised by the modern world..thanks DreaMTripper

thanks everyone for keeping the info coming in..

thank you colour and endlessness for the great references..

if we completely ignore alkaloids in the genus, there is still an incredible amount of interesting phytochemistry in acacias..and in terms of alkaloids, histamines are only just being explored in terms of activity/uses..Sasha Shulgin imagined one day a book called 'Hikal' to look at them..then there are the completely unknown alkaloids that have turned up..even after another 50 years of acacia phytochemical research there will still be much to discover..
and ignoring what's in them, they are just interesting trees..

Hieronymous..there should be no problem cross-pollinating acacia species with different flowering times if the pollen is stored air-tight..

http://www.publish.csiro.au/?paper=BT9930601

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..on a completely different note, mythology, as mentioned much earlier, Acacia confusa is considered to be originally native to the northern Philippines..in Philippine mythology, Diwata (from the Sanskrit Devata) (aka Anito) are elf, fairy or nymph like spirits said to dwell in acacia trees (also balete trees, in the genus ficus)
..more on Acacia confusa in it's own thread..i hope people will begin to honour this tree more in the modern entheogenic world, rather than simply treating it as a tryptamine source..
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below A. confusa in the Philippines

afterthought (with particular regard to the enthusiastic and helpful contributors in the thread) & philosophical...

..i think those who are Acacians recognise (either consciously or subliminally) that the tree has a language..both material and internal, physical and esoteric..
how it looks, how it is to be present with it..
trees have visual language..and directly participate beneficially to the environment..
it's the pathway of a lifetime (and beyond) ..for the acacian
..so it's about a lot more than what's 'in' a tree..that's just one aspect or facet of the language..
the information..
(flowers for instance are a form of 'communication' to other species)
eventually this conscious or sub-conscious understanding of the 'language' of the plant informs the learner on an intuitive level as to the uses or safety of different plants..


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respect to the trees,
and be well acacians, and all...

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^pirateb0b (thanks for young confusa pic)..good question..

quantitively i cannot say, but the notion of phases of the moon in relation to plant qualities is older than the vedas..tides and moods, the moon's gravity and luminosity..to what extent the sap contains alkaloids rather than cell accumulation..good question..
the blood of the tree..
in the ancient middle east, the Acacia tree was (long before the patriarchs 'of the book' ) associated with menstral blood and birth..

Holy crap nen you are a fountain of knowledge. My family rented a beach house and there are ten of the trees on the property. I initially took them for some kind of texas acacia and became very excited. But Indetified them as honey mesquite. I'm going to go collect some for research now.

EDIT well Nvm , the chemicals they contain are over the counter and legal. The methyltrymine isn't even a stimulant like it's been sold as.

I just had a little experiment-tried Noman's Tek on some 250 gr. of A.Cornigera dried roots taken from mature plants during dry season.The result was practically 0 yield.There was a non-existent transparent goo which took a bit longer to evaporate and...that was it.

Towards conscious ecological rehabilitation (or: think beyond the molecular!).

Warm embraces to all Acacians

.. Recent paper published in Veterinary Research Forum. This paper can be read in conjunction with the earlier discussion on pg60 regarding Acacia nilotica.

Instead of TLC results for bark (as discussed by Nen and Infundibulum on pg60) this paper presents results for the aqueous and fractionated pod extracts.

The authors do not identify the subspecies type. However, some assumptions can be made as the pods were harvested in June 2008 (relatively hot and dry throughout the year, MMT for June is ~30 degrees C) from Potiskum, Yobe State, Nigeria.

Interestingly, results suggest that alkaloids were not present.. However, the authors are somewhat illusive... stating in the beginning on the article that "Acacia nilotica contain some psychoactive alkaloids of which dimethyltryptamine and N-methyltryptamine are most prominent and useful. Other psychoactive compounds present in the plant include tryptamine, β-carbolines, mesculine, bufoteinine and nicotine."

.. and go on to conclude "Anthraquinones, alkaloids, terpene and steroids were absent from the extracts" ... (see paper for reagent tests)

Paper attached

Auwal,M.S. et al., 2014. Preliminary phytochemical and elemental analysis of aqueous and fractionated pod extracts of Acacia nilotica (Thorn mimosa).Veterinary Research Forum 5: 95-100.

...and so the acacia dialogue continues..

..thanks for that colour..yes we've looked at Acacia nilotica a fair bit in the thread..[see also index]
and great video xantho.. ..i trust all is groovy in africa..

thanks for experiment report MirrorLake..always appreciated..

and datdmt..glad you were stimulated by info at least..
there is something going on in some species of US mesquite that, as i mentioned way back in the thread, i've experienced personally and don't think has been adequately investigated..
they are powerful cleansers of the system..

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i will update the index soon


look forward to hearing any more tales of investigation along the path..


thank you all threaders


image below..
for the Maasai, Acacia nilotica is a teacher..

Feel free to move this to Trying to Improve Acacia Info thread.

I have collected a few pounds of fallen branches from Acacia Baileyana as well as about 400 g fresh phyllodes and stems which are now dried.

Knowing that A. Baileyana peaks in harmalas one part of the season and tryptamines another, i would assume being the middle of summer its lower in alkaloids and most likely mixed.

Anyone aware if cyanogenetic glucosides are present in any part of this tree?

Will be attempting a brew with A. Baileyana by itself starting with 10 g dried phyllodes and so on.
If effects are noted similar to syrian rue i will add a dmt source to the brew.

..cyanogenic glycosides are destroyed by boiling in water or drying..

as i have said earlier, the safest way would be to initially extract the alkaloids (if present) to get an idea what is in there..oral ingestion is a less safe way to try an unknown plant..some acacias would be very dangerous consumed orally..
A. baileyana is still relatively unknown in variables..

thank you for the initial report..good luck Chimp Z, and keep safe..
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with a lot of new members, let me reiterate the focus in this thread (& the Nexus) on growing, sustainability and ethics (regarding wild trees, rare spceies, and distribution of material)


please be kind to trees..
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sending good wishes to all acacians..

the index of the thread is now up to date..

..i hope through this thread, and others, the now many acacia appreciators here will help to preserve the genome and diversity of the genus..as long as humanity continues i think there'll be a lot of connections with and uses of acacias..even onwards to the stars..
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i have word there should hopefully be some new tests happening with particularly US and African species in the near future..would be great to hear of any new results out there..and reflections on the acacian path of discovery..
..i'm still working on the 'book of the acacia' when i get time, which has been scarce this year..

there are sure to be many new findings still to be made chemically in the genus..flavonoids and their relationship with tannins is a good area for the research chemist, for instance..or the metabolic processes of alkaloids, and their variance..

and the philosophy and spirituality of these trees stretches from the ancient past, to the nexus of now, and further..


..i came across this comment in a Bible blog the other day: http://thewordin365.wordpress.com/tag/ram/
..good question

below, Acacia seyal (implicated in the Ark of the Covenant) drawn growing in Palestine in 1882 (in Wadi Feiran) ..may there be peace..

(& the acacia tree of knowledge, image from Tanzania)

please look after the trees,

peace unto all of you

Hello everyone im pretty new to this. I would like to say thank you to everyone providing available this extensive research. I hope my questions are not overly repititious of prior posts. Recently i have stumbled upon a massive forest of acacia located very near a playground. Im sure that a good 60-70% of these trees are longifolia variations (which i would like to do a couple test extractions in near future), but it is the unknown species which highly resemble obtusifolias and or variations/ cross breeds. A couple im pretty sure were floribunda as they displayed creamy flower they all looked very beautiful. I will post some pictures and try to capture a few of higher interest. Might i add due to the recent storms quite a few of these trees are dead and/or uprooted. I will take pics as well so you can all see what i plan to harvest from. its actually a mindblowing spectacle these acacia are abundant to say the least and overly prevelant almost weed like. I spoke to a local good friend and he said they planted miltiple species about 25 years ago. Hmmmmmm Majority were in flower which to me clearly implied long./ Flor. Spps. The ones that were not flowering really caught my full attention looked so much with vein structures of leaves and resinous edges. I discovered this by feeling more than anything. As we stood there in awe we both became relatively light headed and feint almost as if bein lfted and spun around in a few circles. My main question and i hope i dont sound stupid but with these strains is the acid/ polar solv boil necissary or could i skip straight to base soak twigs/branch bark then stir add naphta let sit 3 hours shaking every couple hours and seperate? Clearly this is not the most proficient way of extraction.. im just wondering if there is like a simplified faster way of seeing if a var is active that would be effective consideribg the numerous constituents of acacia. If im going to be extracting twogs and fallen branches/phyllodes(which i will extrct seperately)i figure i may as well contribute here as much as i can. Thank you. Peace and truth!

A couple of suggestions.

DreaMTripper wrote:

So, I'd spend your time focusing on either already dead tree bark, or twigs/phyllodes from the species that are not currently in flower.



Looking forward to your update!

the flowering thing may be an issue with some trees though I know there are trees down in victoria which give good results during flowering. I've done a number of tests now on what I believe to be a hybrid between floribunda and longifolia and its yields during flowering have actually been very healthy

I think for a rough test you could probably get away with an stb style extraction.. though purification steps should probably be carried out on the non polar pulls. alternatively in the acid boil step you could just do a quick half hr boil and then pull from that. most of the alkaloids come out in the first boil anyways and if you have a bit of ethanol in there that will lessen the time required


on the floribunda note I think theres something interesting going on with the numerous varieties of floribunda and their genetic sensitivity to surrounding flora and I feel they could almost be separated into several sub varieties. Two I am almost certain are occuring are hybridisations with a. longifolia and a.mucronata. there are a lot of trees down here which have the same abundant, loose and creamy flowers - with the same scent as your typical floribunda, and who's phyllodes are absent of any basal gland.. but who's phyllode length and shape vary so greatly that they shouldn't really be classified so simply as acacia floribunda.

just going through my hard drive at the moment and will upload some photos of differen't varieties later on

hope your all doing well and enjoying the disappointingly short time we get to observe our friends in flower

to be classified as floribunda, as far as I know the traits to look for are an absent basal gland on the phyllodes - which should have a soft papery texture and fine hairs present,