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rahlii
#1 Posted : 5/9/2014 10:58:41 PM

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I have been working for a while now at modifying the lextek to suit the extraction of DMT free base from chacruna leaf. Given the perceived reduction in extraction efficiency in my local brand of shellite I have decided to use Xylene for the initial pulls then back salt with vinegar/water to pull DMT acetate from the Xylene. The DMT acetate will then be rebasefied and pulled with shellite to freeze precipitate the product. See here - https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=527459#post527459

My question is -

Is DMT acetate slightly soluble in Xylene?

I keep coming up against this statement and no one seems to know where this idea originally came from.

Has anyone tested the solubility of DMT acetate in Xylene and if not where did this idea come from?

I would like to sort this question out prior to undertaking the tek for obvious reasons.

If I have to run the tek without having a definite answer, what would be the easiest way to know if product is lost in the xylene? My guess is to evaporate the xylene and test the left over bi-product. I'm sure there is bound to be something left over in it I'm just hoping its not DMT acetate. I guess I could test the bi-product by mixing into some non-active leaf base and smoking it as from memory DMT acetate can be vaporised directly when ignited on a leaf base for active effect.

Any help with this is much appreciated. I am planning to write this tek up once it has been straightened out and would like to get most of the glitches out before I start.



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#2 Posted : 5/10/2014 12:12:27 AM

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Grossly polar molecules (like dmt acetate) will not be soluble in grossly non-polar solvents like xylene. The idea comes from inference and it is a well-educated prediction of how substances behave wiith each other.

E.g. we do not need demonstration that fat extracted from armadillos will float on top of water, or that armadillo dna follows the same genetic code as all the rest of species on earth. We just know the latter do as predicted with extremely high probability.


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#3 Posted : 5/10/2014 12:33:48 AM

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Excellent.

Thank you muchly Infundiulum.

I will set to working on the tek using Xylene, given its aversion to DMT acetate.

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rahlii
#4 Posted : 5/31/2014 11:19:40 PM

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I was read the Wikipedia entry for Xylene and found this statement -



Xylenes form azeotropes with water and a variety of alcohols. With water the azeotrope consists of 60% xylenes and boils at 90 °C.


The Wiki entry for azeotope states -


An azeotrope (/əˈziːətroʊp/ ə-ZEE-ə-trohp or /ˈeɪziətroʊp/ AY-zee-ə-trohp) is a mixture of two or more liquids whose proportions cannot be altered by simple distillation.[1] This happens because, when an azeotrope is boiled, the vapor has the same proportions of constituents as the unboiled mixture.


Could the formation of a Xylene azeotrope with water during an A/B extraction reduce the effectiveness of the tek and result in lost yield?

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#5 Posted : 6/1/2014 2:59:48 AM

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No, the xylene-water azeotrope is a heterogenious one; eg you can have 60ml of xylene floating on top of 40ml of water (not mixed up) and this mixture is going to boil at a constant temp of 90 C. The vapors produced will be 60% xylene and 40% water at all times.


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#6 Posted : 6/1/2014 3:54:59 AM

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Thanks for clearing that up Infundibulum.
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