Whilst my understanding of Kabbalah and numerology are limited, I find the topic quite interesting. In the past, I've at times almost driven myself mad by trying to grapple with the esoteric meanings of this field, and so I try to take it with a grain of salt; nonetheless, it is fascinating and intuitively seems deeply related to psychedelics.

In 777, Crowley proposes a (perhaps dissatisfactory) list of numerological attributions for "vegetable drugs", although this of course predates most western interest (or even knowledge) of most psychedelic drugs. There's also this thread (on another forum) where people attempt (planetary) correspondences. I'm not going to attempt a list of correspondences myself, but I'm interested in what people think on this matter. Do specific drugs evoke specific states of consciousness, and if so, how does this fit in with Kabbalistic numerology? Or is the psychedelic experience such that it unlocks an unlimited myriad of states? For what it's worth, I've found LSD to conform more to the latter explanation, being incredibly mutable depending on set and setting, while on the other hand it does seem to me that mushrooms, ayahuasca, and certain research chemicals have more of a specific "feel" to them, suggesting the former explanation. What do you think?

Unfortunately, I know ziltch about the Kabbalah or numerology.

I do think that when we take a chemical, in a plant form or otherwise, that we are entering into an active relationship with it. Plants and chemicals all have their own characteristics (could you say personalities?) that are going to affect our experience.

Don't forget, that consciousness itself is mutable, you have access to myriad states of consciousness regardless if you have ingested a chemical or not.

In fact, I think it is wrong to even say state of consciousness. Its not like your mind is this blob that sits between your ears. What I am trying to say is that consciousness is not a thing, with definite boundaries. What we experience from moment to moment is the result of countless interactions of our senses, the objects of our perception, our concepts and memories and so on. So a moment of consciousness is really the result of a very complex relationship between many factors, but is experienced as a single reality.

So when you take a drug, of course it is going to add its own flavor to this dynamic. This doesn't mean that you are going to experience a predetermined state of mind. The cool thing about psychedelics if that you can often experience this process first hand, thus making for a very unique experience.

As for planetary correspondences, there is that Gnostic saying (of Hermetic, can't remember), "as above, so below." I don't think that there is anything in this universe that isn't linked to each other in some very complex, subtle way. What that means in regards to psychedelics, or anything else for that matter, is a mystery to me...

I dunno.

But I'll tell you this:

I think you're on the right path.

I did psychedelics for a decade before stumbling across meditation. Once I found mediation, I was sure that things like Numerology, Kabbala, Astrology, Psychic ability, paranormal phenomena, and pretty much everything ever said in any religion or mysticism/occult has some type of connection to each other.

Psychedelics + Meditation = the realization of an entire connected world.

It helped me better define EVERYTHING I am experiencing around me.

So, whatever your feelings, they are probably being guided by some truth.

Happy hunting!

Numerology? What's that, exactly?

lol google it

From what I read on the internet, it is attaching a certain spiritual value to mere coincidences. In my understanding this is completely nonsensical, which is why I thought I'd better ask for personal explanations, which would probably make more sense to me.

Yeah I would say that connections between planetary characteristics and drugs could be drawn pretty easily.

Marijuana is Venusian
MDMA is jovial (Jupiter)
DMT is Neptunian
Aphrodisiacs are of Uranus

To me this is a principle made tangible by the fourth way.

Tobacco is probably martial
Meth is mercurial

Amanitas apparently have a martial influence

Anyways I wouldn't make a comprehensive list myself because these are fairly out of the blue generalizations to most people.

I have googled, of course, I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I should've just asked what it meant to you guys and why you take it seriously.

The point of Numerology is that they aren't mere coincidences.

What leads you to say this? I would think with their depressant effect that Amanitas would be far removed from Mars.

Yeah I am not experienced with Amanitas myself

I was considering their possible history as a battle stimulant and TBH I don't have a clear picture of their effects.

How can you know?

How can I know that Numerology doesn't deem them as coincidences? 'Cause that's what they say.

How can I know that they actually aren't coincidences? I suppose I can't know that.

Nor do I know much about Numerology past a vague description.

Well, I'm not gonna take their word for it

In Iceland it's called the Berserk mushroom.

One time, cycling in nature in autumn, I took a bite from a fresh Amanita Muscaria. It made me ride my bike like a viking

This is sychronous! I was just ponedering this the other day, ha!

I don't know anything of their attributes, but why do you correspond DMT with Neptune? And MDMA with Uranus? I was thinking more along the lines of MDMA being venereal. And DMT mercurial.

Or perhaps LSD being aligned with mercury because for me it seems to be the greatest all around teacher of the psychedelics. LSD showed me so many things, whereas DMT is far more spiritual, and psilocybin more 'magickal'.

This is a fun subject to ponder.


And yeah, Crowley lists tobacco as martial.

I associate LSD and DMT both as being strongly mercurial. As I mentioned above LSD is strongly dependent on set and setting (more so than other psychedelics, in my experience), and very mutable and fluid, and this seems to support the idea of it being a "messenger". I don't have any breakthrough experiences with smoked DMT, but I think it may also share these qualities, based on the fact that many ayahuasqueros say that the DMT containing plants bring the "vision", whilst the ayahuasca vine brings the "strength", again suggesting that the chemical itself serves only as a messenger to convey whatever qualities might be imprinted on it.

I'm unsure as to where the caapi vine itself fits into the Tree of LIfe, though I suspect it's linked to the Middle Pillar.

I agree that MDMA seems overtly Venusian. I'm not sure where mushrooms fit into all of this - perhaps they are lunar? They do seem to unveil the id.

Yeah I think I am mistaken.


Well the idea is that Neptune is the product of harmony between all the other planets, so maybe ayahuasca would be the Neptune influence? Also there is Holst's planets in which Neptune is the mystic.


I have to say i agree about dmt being mercurial actually, especially smoked DMT.

Meth actually isn't mercurial so much as it is an expression of the asteroid belt.

Mushrooms are probably Venus-mercury (and the idea of things being influenced by multiple planets is another aspect of this fourth way thing)

Though I tend to think that mushrooms and ayahuasca are capable of inviting Neptune's influence moreso than most other substances.

Also for me I've been indoctrined into the idea that the planets correspond to various glands in the body (Mars being adrenal, etc)

For instance the gland which produces oxytocin is associated with Jupiter.
MDMA is Jovial-Uranus if I were to describe it.

But there is a huge chance that MDMA is Venusian and the dynamic between Jovial and Venusian is sometimes pretty blurry.

I would describe mescaline as Venusian

Anyways I don't take it too seriously but I do agree that DMT is mercurial.


And to be honest I really have no idea where salvia Divinorum comes from heh.

So you're not convinced that people who are involved with Numerology believe that they are more than coincidences?