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Neo-Shaman
#1 Posted : 5/4/2014 11:04:34 PM

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Just seeing if someone could shed some light on a few questions of mine.

So first, I have ended up using about 100g of Acacia instead of 50 grams because my vessel which I was planning on using for the extraction seemed to big so I simply doubled all the ratios and processes according to Cyb's TEK. (https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Cyb%27s_Hybrid_ATB_%27Salt%27_Tek) Well I under estimated the overall volume everything takes up. So now I'm stuck after the salting stage with no room left to place another 400ml of lye solution or Naptha to pull. I've attached a picture below.

I searched around and found this. https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=53337

I believe I can fix my issue by performing the steps below.


"In order to handle larger quantities of bark using cyb's tek, here is my recommendation:

1. put bark in a large pot, cover with water, add a little vinegar.
2. do 3 or 4 boils of at least 2 hours each, filter out bark each time. Use a t-shirt tied over a large bucket, collect the filtered liquid in the bucket.
3. Reduce the filtered liquid (by heating) until it will fit in your extraction jar, leaving room for solvent pulls (i.e 100ml).
4. proceed with extraction as in the original tek (from step 4 in cyb's hybrid tek).

The main thing is that the bark must be removed from the acid solution in order to fit it in a single jar. A 1L jar won't hold more than 200g of wet bark and leave room for solvent/mobility."


My question is that by filtering out the bark I will free up more space but will I not extract as much free base DMT as I could maximizing my bark? Or is the DMT after acidifying and salting only in the aqueous solution?

If I shouldn't do this should I simply find a larger vessel and continue with the extraction at double ratios?
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darklordsson
#2 Posted : 5/4/2014 11:21:05 PM

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Next time around give the roots a nice acid bath till it doesnt pull color ffrom the bark no more, put that acid extract into the extracting jar and add naptha, I have a tech for you worked really well for me, for the issue at hand, buy a bigger mason jar dollar store has em for, well, a dollar, lol so i would simply transfer the material to a bigger jar add wut u want, and add the lye, u need to make the solution turn virtully black for the extarction/seperation to effectivly take place with the naptha. Lye, noniodized salt help make the water polar, which seperates the non-polar soulution much easier.

This is just my findings tho, Hope it works i know i wanted it toThumbs up Big grin

NOTE: once again it is common to get up to 20 grams or more of DMT crystals if this is followed correctly a lifetimes worth
MATERIALs:
-1kg Acacia confusa root or trunk bark (preferably root bark)
-naphtha/ petroleum either 1 gallon (make sure it evaporates clean)
-vinegar (white distilled 5% acidity)
- 1 can NAOH/lye/caustic soda 5%
-rock salt/NACL (non iodized)
-glass turkey baster
-gallon mason jar or glass gallon jug MUST BE GLASS (Pyrex is best but other glass will do just be carefull while heating)
-1000ml glass crystallization jar (best if wide mouth mason jar and easy to scrape sides with a razor blade)
-square Pyrex baking pan
-Chemical resistant gloves and goggles (A MUST)
-stove
-2 large pots

OPTIONAL:
PH METER
SEPARATORY FUNNEL
FUNNEL

SAFETY:
-NEVER HEAT NAPHTHA ON AN OPEN FLAME EITHER DOUBLE BOIL OR USE A HOT PLATE
- ALWAYS WEAR YOUR GLOVES AND GOGGLES WHEN WORKING WITH SODIUM HYDROXIDE NO JOKE IT WILL MAKE YOU GO BLIND AND BURN HOLES IN YOUR SKIN, WHEN ADDING LYE TO WATER ALWAYS ADD THE LYE TO THE WATER SLOWLY! SODIUM HYDROXIDE CREATES A EXOTHERMIC REACTION THAT MEANS IT CAUSES HEAT AND CAN CRACK THE GLASS CONTAINER THAT ITS IN


PROCEDURE:
NOTE: you can scale down if you want to the only thing you dont scale down is the amount of time you boil it
SET UP: clean up you work space its best that everything is done in the kitchen
- take 1kg bark and cut it up into the smallest pieces possible use a coffee grinder or blender if possible.
-freeze bark and thaw 3 times in freezer.

PART 1 ACID COOK
the objective of this step is to convert the DMT into its salt form so that the polar solution/water absorbs the DMT easier by using Acetic acid/vinegar converting the DMT into DMT acetate

STEP 1: take 3600ml distilled H2O and add 400 ml vinegar making the PH approx 4, put the 1kg of bark in an appropriate sized pot (pot A)and add the vinegar and water solution. boil for an hour and 45 mins (don't be afraid to boil rigorously, also make sure there is a lid on the pot)

STEP 2: pour the bark and water threw a strainer and transfer the liquid to another pot(pot B). add another fresh 3600 ml water and 400ml vinegar into the first pot (pot A) and boil the bark again for another hour and 45 minutes. while you are doing this boil pot B without a lid to reduce the volume

STEP 3: repeat step 2 two more times you want to do a total of 4 acid boils.

STEP 4: reduce the contents of pot B which in total should be 8000ml to 2500ml

STEP 5: wait for the reduced red liquid in pot B cool down and then pour into your gallon glass jar or jug and place in fridge (make sure the liquid in the jug is completely cooled down before proceeding to the next phase of the procedure.
NOTE: you should now have 2500ml of liquid.

PART 2 BASIFY
in the next part of the procedure you are converting the DMT acetate into its freebase form by making it basic with NAOH/lye so that it will travel from the polar solution (water) into the non polar solution (naphtha)

SAFETY NOTE: for this part put on your safety goggles and chemical resistant gloves remember lye can make you BLIND. i can not emphasize enough to wear the god damn safety gear (excuse the language) but seriously just wear the goggles and gloves if you value your eyesight

STEP 1: weigh out 250 grams of lye

Step 2: SLOWLY add the lye in 25 gram increments every 2 minutes to your red solution inside the gallon jug(in this part you will actually see the freebase alkaloids precipitate) your solution should first turn grey and then turn black. NOTE: the contents of the jar will begin to heat up when you start adding lye, if you add the lye to fast the jar will explode and spray caustic lye everywhere wear your glasses. Proceed to the next phase immediately after all of the lye is added do not take a brake


PART 3 EXTRACTION
the point of part 3 is to extract the DMT from the polar solution into the non polar solution because water and naphtha do not mix together they are the perfect solvent for this procedure.

STEP 1: while the contents of the gallon jug are still warm from the addition of lye (if it has cooled down its ok just double boil it untill it is warm be carefull to not heat it to the point that the jar cracks it just needs to be warm not boiling) measure 1000ml of naphtha and add it to the jar youl notice that it forms to layers the naphtha is on top the water is on the bottom.

STEP 2: shake the contents of the jar vigorously for 1-2 minutes and then let it separate

STEP 3: repeat step 2 10 times (keep the contents warm during this time by occasionally placing the jar in the double boiler DO NOT heat he jar with an open flame as it contains naphtha witch is extremely flammable) during the last shake roll the jar gently to avoid emulsion and then wait 5-10 minutes or until the water and naphtha have completely separated before going to next step.

STEPv4: take your glass turkey baster and carefully suck up the top lair of naphtha and transfer it into your appropriate sized crystallization jar (be careful to not suck up any of the basic water layer if you do there will be impurity's not to mention lye in your final product) dont worry about the little bit that you cant suck up with the baster youl be able to salvage it later or if you want you can suck it up with a glass syringe.

STEP 5.: take the jar of the DMT saturated naphtha and put it into a dark cool area (thats right no freeze precipitation) if you did it right once your jar starts to cool down it will turn milky white wait 12 hours and when you come back youl see that the naphtha is now clear and in the bottom of the jar there is a lot of crystals waiting for you usually 2-4 grams per pull.

STEP 6: take your funnel and place a coffee filter inside it and pour the jar of crystals slowly into it place the coffee filter with all the crystals cacked on it and leave it somewhere to dry. put the naphtha back into the jar and put it into the freezer for 24 hours to precipitate more crystals (the crystals that fall out at room temp are much more pure than the freeze precips when you freeze precip ther is much more plant oils and NMT that come out along with the DMT so if your thinking youl just go strait to freeze precipitating DONT)

STEP 7: repeat step 1-6 except reuse the same naphtha over and over untill no more DMT is being pulled. the reason why you reuse the naphtha is because it works alot better when your solvent is saturated. also after the third pull add 100 grams of rock salt to the gallon jug to make the water more polar this helps pull even more DMT. when your done with all of your pulls you can take your naphtha and evaporate it to yield the DMT NMT bonus


PART 4 ENJOY

if you do decide to disregard the above disclaimer please please take the time to learn the chemistry. making your own DMT can be a huge rewarding experience I believe that it shows the spirit of DMT something about yourself i suggest doins a scaled down version of this teck to see if you and DMT get along if you do it truly can be an amazing thing. DMT i believed has helped me save my life it shows you the beauty in the world and is overall amazing and inspiring words do not do justice. Please do not sell DMT it is so cheap and easy to make and not only that it is an experience that should not be sold it should be shared with the people you love. selling it would just show it greed. also be aware of the vibe that you put into it, while you are making it state your intention say a prayer be humble be respectful and show love and it will show you the same. please be responsible and respectful.

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#3 Posted : 5/4/2014 11:28:07 PM

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Or is the DMT after acidifying and salting only in the aqueous solution?

It should be yes.

If you are really worried about losing some in the bark you could proceed with your plan and when you are satisfied that the remaining solution is depleted you could dump some out to make room, readd your bark, leave it to soak for a bit, and then try another pull.
 
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#4 Posted : 5/5/2014 5:02:48 AM

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Darklordsson:
Extracting a kilogram of root bark at a time is completely unnecessary and can amplify certain risks that are involved. It is really best for beginners (like the OP) to start with 50-100g root bark for their first few extractions. It is preferable to waste 50g root bark rather than 100g, in the event that mistakes are made and the extraction is beyond salvation. Having twenty grams of DMT stashed in one's house can also be much more risky than having two.

Neo-Shaman:
In the name of simplicity, I would recommend just transferring into a bigger vessel and continuing on as planned. Filtering can bring up additional complications, and the benefits in this particular situation would be minimal.

On a side note, Cyb states in one of his teks that simply doubling the ratios of solvents and reagents is not recommended, if I remember correctly. The volumes/weights suggested in the tek are calculated with the intention of maximizing the ionic strength of the solution, and doubling the ratios may not necessarily achieve this goal. The extraction may still be successful, though perhaps with less efficiency than the tek is capable of producing.
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darklordsson
#5 Posted : 5/5/2014 4:28:42 PM

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Entheogenerator, i did not extract 1 kilo i divided all measurements by 4= 250g, I really wanted to do my first ext, so i found a way, and you can use the same procedure for extraction without actully using 1 kilo, yeah that is a lil crazy to be holdin on to all that stuffShocked lol, but yeah this was jus the tech i used not the amount stated.
I also see what your saying, its easier to monitor a small batch and watch for problems than to have one big one where more could go wrong and bunk the batch.

 
 
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