We've Moved! Visit our NEW FORUM to join the latest discussions. This is an archive of our previous conversations...

You can find the login page for the old forum here.
CHATPRIVACYDONATELOGINREGISTER
DMT-Nexus
FAQWIKIHEALTH & SAFETYARTATTITUDEACTIVE TOPICS
PREV12
Best plant to grow? Options
 
calvinandhobbes
#21 Posted : 4/28/2014 1:16:27 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 20
Joined: 26-Apr-2014
Last visit: 14-May-2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Entheogenerator wrote:
calvinandhobbes wrote:
The high 5-MeO content of Turkey Red is interesting, though I'm still concerned about the gramine. I don't trust an extraction to filter out all of it.

What is your reasoning for not trusting an extraction to "filter out" gramine? It is a simple matter of solubility. Gramine would not exist in the final product for the same reason that lye contamination is extremely unlikely in the final product of a properly-executed STB or A/B extraction of Mimosa hostilis or Acacia confusa.

IIRC, the claims that gramine is "extremely toxic" are based on very little evidence to begin with. Look up some of the older threads on phalaris grasses, this subject has been covered in the past.

Admittedly, I'm not knowledgeable about any of this. I don't know the likelihood of gramine being in the final product or how toxic gramine actually is. I read on Wikipedia that "gramine, which, in sheep and to a lesser extent in cattle, can cause brain damage, other organ damage, central nervous system damage and death" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalaris_(grass)#cite_note-2). I'm just going to err on the side of caution.
 

Explore our global analysis service for precise testing of your extracts and other substances.
 
Entheogenerator
#22 Posted : 4/29/2014 12:02:16 AM

Homo discens


Posts: 1827
Joined: 02-Aug-2012
Last visit: 07-Aug-2020
calvinandhobbes wrote:
Admittedly, I'm not knowledgeable about any of this. I don't know the likelihood of gramine being in the final product or how toxic gramine actually is. I read on Wikipedia that "gramine, which, in sheep and to a lesser extent in cattle, can cause brain damage, other organ damage, central nervous system damage and death" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalaris_(grass)#cite_note-2). I'm just going to err on the side of caution.

Just read through the various phalaris threads, and various extraction teks, and your concern about gramine contamination in the final product will rapidly dissolve. It is very unlikely. Phalaris would seem to be your best option for a fast-growing, high-yielding, sustainable plant source of DMT by far.
"It's all fun and games until someone loses an I" - Ringworm
Attitude Page โ‹ Health & Safety โ‹ FAQ โ‹ Known Substance Interactions โ‹ Extraction Teks โ‹ The Machine

 
calvinandhobbes
#23 Posted : 4/30/2014 7:50:59 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 20
Joined: 26-Apr-2014
Last visit: 14-May-2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
One last question, why is the alkaloid content between the two acuminata samples so different? (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27722). There's no telling whether you are growing an acuminata with %51 MTHBC or one with the %90 DMT?
 
Cosmic Spore
#24 Posted : 4/30/2014 11:48:12 PM

โ˜  โšก โ˜ฃ โš  โ˜ข


Posts: 599
Joined: 09-Nov-2011
Last visit: 10-Aug-2016
Location: Spirit World
calvinandhobbes wrote:
One last question, why is the alkaloid content between the two acuminata samples so different? (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27722). There's no telling whether you are growing an acuminata with %51 MTHBC or one with the %90 DMT?


Acacia acuminata varies, but the variant "Acacia acuminata inland form narrow phyllodes" is the known potent one.
There are some images on the nexus of the differences among the variants.

Looking for seed: http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/
 
Morbidbystandard
#25 Posted : 5/1/2014 2:09:30 AM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 57
Joined: 17-Nov-2013
Last visit: 09-Oct-2022
Location: Cali
I personally like Psychotria viridis being that I am prone to growing tropical plants. I have one plant in a Water Farm by General Hydroponics that I have been growing for about a year. So far I have harvested around 100g but that was grown using 3 20 watt florescent tubes. In the passed 2 months I have harvested 30 of the 100g total after upgrading to a Halo 28w LED by Supergrow LED. It seems with better light I'll be harvesting 15g a month which is plenty for personal use in my opinion. It also sprang up 5 plants off the roots that I'll be placing out in the California sunshine to see what happens.
 
--Shadow
#26 Posted : 5/1/2014 4:12:09 AM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 463
Joined: 21-Dec-2013
Last visit: 28-Dec-2019
Cosmic Spore wrote:
calvinandhobbes wrote:
One last question, why is the alkaloid content between the two acuminata samples so different? (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27722). There's no telling whether you are growing an acuminata with %51 MTHBC or one with the %90 DMT?


Acacia acuminata varies, but the variant "Acacia acuminata inland form narrow phyllodes" is the known potent one.
There are some images on the nexus of the differences among the variants.

Looking for seed: http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/



I'm thinking of the possibility of hybridizing acuminata (narrow) with another acacia that is small and fast growing. The goal of producing a fast growing, small plant, that can grown on balconies, indoors, in units etc, with the alkaloid profile of acuminata (narrow)

I'm mean, hey.. if people have pioneered cannabis in this same fashion, I don't see why the same principles cannot be applied to acacia's
Throughout recorded time and long before, trees have stood as sentinels, wise yet silent, patiently accumulating their rings while the storms of history have raged around them --The living wisdom of trees, Fred Hageneder
 
calvinandhobbes
#27 Posted : 5/1/2014 10:04:01 AM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 20
Joined: 26-Apr-2014
Last visit: 14-May-2014
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Cosmic Spore wrote:
calvinandhobbes wrote:
One last question, why is the alkaloid content between the two acuminata samples so different? (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27722). There's no telling whether you are growing an acuminata with %51 MTHBC or one with the %90 DMT?


Acacia acuminata varies, but the variant "Acacia acuminata inland form narrow phyllodes" is the known potent one.
There are some images on the nexus of the differences among the variants.

Looking for seed: http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/


I completely overlooked the broad and narrow leaf part! I ordered narrow leaf variety but it didn't say anything about it being inland, but I guess narrow leaf = inland acuminata? (http://australianseed.com/shop/item/acacia-acuminata). Am I better off opting for seeds that are explicitly from an INLAND acuminata.
 
Hieronymous
#28 Posted : 5/1/2014 11:01:42 AM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 307
Joined: 06-Feb-2013
Last visit: 24-Sep-2014
Location: Nirvana
The narrow phyllode acuminata is also known as inland jam. So it seems you have the species you wanted.

There's nothing wrong with the broad phyllode species (Raspberry Jam) either. I've heard reports of well over 2% from the inner bark. It just takes longer for the tree to mature before it can be harvested.
 
PREV12
 
Users browsing this forum
Guest (5)

DMT-Nexus theme created by The Traveler
This page was generated in 0.020 seconds.