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calvinandhobbes
#1 Posted : 4/27/2014 1:05:56 PM

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Which DMT containing plant is best to grow?

I searched through the "Trying to improve Acacia information" thread and it seems that Acuminata is a good candidate because the leaves and twigs have a high concentration and their removal doesn't hurt the tree.

Looking for fast growth and a clean alkaloid profile.
 

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#2 Posted : 4/27/2014 2:23:11 PM

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If you are looking for fast growth, forget Acuminata, right off the bat imo.
I`ve had my seedlings for 6-9 months, and they have grown around 20-40cm, at the most.
I expect to be able to trim and use them in a few years time (3-5 likely).
I`d still suggest getting acuminata seedlings, plant them...until then, use other bark for extracts.
 
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#3 Posted : 4/27/2014 3:25:50 PM

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#4 Posted : 4/27/2014 4:28:36 PM

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If anyone else comes across this thread asking the same question, the grasses and the more exotic plants such as hostilis aren't worth looking into.
 
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calvinandhobbes wrote:
Which DMT containing plant is best to grow?

All of them!! Smile
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#7 Posted : 4/27/2014 11:34:47 PM

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Entheogenerator wrote:
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Which DMT containing plant is best to grow?

All of them!! Smile

Agreed, no plant is better then the other, some just take a little bit more time and work. Ha
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#8 Posted : 4/28/2014 12:44:50 AM

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Why not?

I mean, if you are interested in a ethnobotanical garden they are. But if you just want one or two plants then something like a hostilis which you will need to uproot for an extraction isn't suitable. Some phalaris grasses contain gramine, which is extremely toxic, so best to stay away from that completely.
 
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As has been discussed previously by the more chemically savvy:
gramine is pretty much insoluble in naphtha, so 1 or 2 re-crystallizations (in naphtha) will clear up any doubt of gramine contamination.

Also, Phalaris brachystachys is said to be around 3% dmt iirc. Some of the grasses should be cultivated by cloning the roots, as to keep the genetics true.
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That 3% thing for Brachy has to be a typo. It is highly unrealistic... More like 0.3%

If you be lookin' for a fast growing try out psychotria viridis?
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If you are in Melbourne then Psychotria nexus would be a good place to start. P viridis will need a greenhouse or a very warm micro climate to get through winter in your area.

If you plan to only grow one or two plants then you are going to have either a long term harvest date (for a tree) or a very small scale harvest that won't yield much DMT in a shorter time for something like Psychotria.

In reality most people will be looking at a 3-5 year turnaround from seed to the first harvest with trees, but they will yield exponentially more in subsequent years. A well grown Psychotria may be ready for a very small harvest in 2-3 years, but one or two plants aren't really going to give you enough for much at all.

 
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Any ballpark estimates on the weight of twigs/leaves that could be taken from a single 5 year old acuminata?
 
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calvinandhobbes wrote:
If anyone else comes across this thread asking the same question, the grasses and the more exotic plants such as hostilis aren't worth looking into.


o rly? Wut?

I better go break the news to all my fast growing, high yielding, phalaris clones Wink

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#14 Posted : 4/28/2014 3:01:55 AM

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dreamer042 wrote:
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If anyone else comes across this thread asking the same question, the grasses and the more exotic plants such as hostilis aren't worth looking into.


o rly? Wut?

I better go break the news to all my fast growing, high yielding, phalaris clones Wink


Which variety of phalaris would they be?
 
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#15 Posted : 4/28/2014 3:04:14 AM

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Phalaris is the fastest growing DMT plant I know of. It's definitely faster than psychotria. I'd also recommend going with brachystachys. If you grow mimosa you could trim back the roots when repotting. A friend said he managed to harvest about 200 grams of roots a year, iirc, from each mimosa hostilis he was growing in large pots. You could also experiment with air layering to grow roots above soil that wouldn't hurt the plant too much when cut off.
 
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hopefull wrote:
Entheogenerator wrote:
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Which DMT containing plant is best to grow?

All of them!! Smile

Agreed, no plant is better then the other, some just take a little bit more time and work. Ha
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Desmanthus leptolobus are beautiful little plants to grow.
 
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#18 Posted : 4/28/2014 3:41:41 AM

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calvinandhobbes wrote:
Which variety of phalaris would they be?


Here is a nice list of strains of interest.

Personally, I grow Yugo Red, Turkey Red, Big Medicine, and AQ1.
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#19 Posted : 4/28/2014 6:09:05 AM

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dreamer042 wrote:
calvinandhobbes wrote:
Which variety of phalaris would they be?


Here is a nice list of strains of interest.

Personally, I grow Yugo Red, Turkey Red, Big Medicine, and AQ1.


The high 5-MeO content of Turkey Red is interesting, though I'm still concerned about the gramine. I don't trust an extraction to filter out all of it.
 
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calvinandhobbes wrote:
The high 5-MeO content of Turkey Red is interesting, though I'm still concerned about the gramine. I don't trust an extraction to filter out all of it.

What is your reasoning for not trusting an extraction to "filter out" gramine? It is a simple matter of solubility. Gramine would not exist in the final product for the same reason that lye contamination is extremely unlikely in the final product of a properly-executed STB or A/B extraction of Mimosa hostilis or Acacia confusa.

IIRC, the claims that gramine is "extremely toxic" are based on very little evidence to begin with. Look up some of the older threads on phalaris grasses, this subject has been covered in the past.
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