Hello everyone!
I wanted to write up this trip report to not only share my friend’s personal experience with LSA, but to see if anyone out there has had similar experiences. I am no writer, so forgive me if some of my concepts aren’t well written or confusing.

Anyways, I want to share a little bit about my friend so you can have a basic context.
He had a best friend that he had an off and on relationship with. It seems anyone he got close to drifts away from time to time and is in his life at just the right times then a rift seems to happen. He has accepted this and became a norm. Anyways, he recently linked back up with this guy, we will call him Nick.

Since the last time they were friends he had a developing interest in psychedelics. He had taken acid a few times with great things to tell his friend. Being an avid smoker he had already sort of experienced altered consciousness, so what Nick shared with him did nothing but pique his interest. He was heavily influenced by his friends at the time, so anything they were into he was willing to at least try. He began his own research on psyches and decided to order some seemingly harmless Hawaiian Baby Wood rose seeds.

After everything he read about them, he was in for a light trip that can come with heavy nausea and the possibility for a horrible experience. Nick was also interested and he was going to partake with him. They picked our day free from responsibility and ate our seeds.
They started at 9 AM at a park within walking distance from his house. Even though he was aware of the possibility to do an extraction, he decided that they will simply chew the seeds and swallow with tons of water handy. They each ate 8 seeds total, chewing them and keeping them in our mouths as long as possible before swallowing (back then the taste did not bother him too much, but if he were to even put one in his mouth now he instantly vomits). Anywho, since it was early neither of them had eaten anything since the night before as planned.

After about 10 minutes, he began the biggest purge of his life. Liquid was coming out of every orifice it could come out of. After about a half an hour of crying, vomiting, mucus spewing from his nose it all stopped as soon as it began. Nick never had any nausea or
problems. They smoked some herb and both came to a unique euphoria. A feeling that felt like they became angelic almost. He and Nick shared the exact same feeling, and it felt like they weren’t even speaking English to each other but some otherworldly dialect that transcended the normal means of communication.

It began to drizzle lightly, and Nick had the urge to meditate. My friend told him he would rather remain in the car (yeah forgot to mention most of the trip they were going back and forth between walking around the park and sitting in his car.) but he would watch Nick and join him if the rain subsided. Well the rain was persistent and he had the phrase f*ck it cross my mind so went out to join him cross-legged on top of a hill in the rain. After about 20 or so minutes of silence they returned to our car and this is when it happened.
At this point they are at about 4 hours since they began. Nick started hissing. Hissing like a snake. And when I mean he was hissing, I mean he had his arms glued to his sides, tounge out, eyes squinted, and making a very loud hissing sound at my friend. He was like, wtf are you doing. All he would do was look my friend dead in the eye and hiss as loud as he could. He went like this for THIRTY MINUTES. HE COULD NOT TALK AT ALL. He slowly began relearning English and how to talk. He apologized and said he could not help it! I didn’t care, I was intrigued if anything. He said that he felt like a snake had taken over him and he could not control his body at all.

They had a normal comedown and eventually parted ways. When I say a normal comedown, it was filled with new experience and wonder, but I am trying to keep this already long report as short as possible even though this was his first trip. I want to focus on LSA rather than all the new beauty that comes with a trip.

About two weeks later they had another opportunity to trip. This time they went to the beach and only took 4 seeds each as they did not want a recreation of the intense experience Nick had before. But this is where I started to realized the true power of LSA.

This time, they took the seeds at the same time of day with little in their stomachs, but my friend didn’t get sick at all. Well they were laying on the beach and my friend closed his eyes for some time. There were other people some distance from them to the left and right as is unavoidable at a public beach. Now, with his eyes closed, he could see faint outlines of all these people, even Nick who was right next to him was an outline of a human. He could only notice the torsos and heads however, and it appeared almost like and aura to him. He reached his hand out to touch Nick and his arm went right through him…..he immediately awoke from this state, opening his eyes saying “dude I just touched your spirit”.

As soon as this happened he knew something was about to fly out of his rectum. They managed to make their way to the public restrooms where projectile diarrhea came out of him with at least 50psi. While on the toilet Nick periodically came in to see how my friend was doing. Mt friend could not talk to him. All he could do was ca-caw back to him mimicking the sound of a seagull while sitting in the stall. To this day he cannot replicate the extremely loud caws he was making, not even close. He knew he was a seagull and not another bird. He felt the spirit of a seagull posses him and he was taken away from his body for about 20 mins as he purged out his ass. He slowly composed himself and came out to Nick. They had a similar comedown and eventually went home.

At home he immediately looked into spirit guides and the symbols of animals and their role in the universe. The spirit of the seagull matched his life to a tee. The same origins, the same personality, the same role, everything…..its like he was living my life just as a seagull does. He chalked it up to just a crazy trip and carried on with his life.

Fast forward to present day. Two days ago he partook in the seeds alone at his home. He is experienced in taking psychedelics alone, and in some ways enjoys it more when he is using teacher plants because he feels they are more focused on his own day to day life. Anyways similar comeup, bodyload and such happened. Now, its worth noting that he chills in a finished garage and even with the painted walls and window a/c unit, still feels like a garage. This is where he was when the profound effects took hold again.

His nostrils began to flare, his teeth were showing and his whole face could not help but scrunch and contort. No audible sounds were made for the entire trip. He had become a mouse.
At this point in his life my friend was making many stupid decisions. He has putting his time and energy into things that were self destructive and wasteful instead of simply necessities he was missing. The spirit of them mouse hit home for my friend because of what it represents.

Now again he purged out his ass, but this time because of the quickness of the feeling he had to run outside and shit in his backyard (was in the garage, bathroom on the other side of the house. Thankfully this was around midnight and no one could have known hehe). Now he 100% believes in the power of purging. Not only caused by the actual physical effects of consuming certain compounds, but caused by the inward learning and releasing of toxic evil that resides in him from time to time.

His feces did not look like human feces at all. It was literally an almost black soup that had the consistency of melted silly putty. It almost congealed in a way and it smelled foul. Nothing like that has ever come out of his body. Sorry to be descriptive and nasty….but I need you to know this was not a normal product of human digestion. That was not digested food that came out of him.

There is a ton of detail I left out of his report. He wants to go WAYYYYY more into detail but this report is already long and I do not want to bore anyone. If I get positive feedback I would love to type up more personal things, but I wanted to first focus on what happened to Nick and his friend and see if anyone else has any encounter with spirit guides. It might be a little hard to understand why I call them spirit guides (I don’t even know if that’s the right terminology for what Im trying to express) because of the lack of details in this report, but basically we can learn much from animals and plants around us and LSA is a great tool for this.

I hate the bad rap that LSA gets, and I truly feel that if everyone simply just flows with what the plant wants to show you, you will get what you are trying to find. I will admit to abusing entheogens before and I know first hand that you will go through HELL if you do it. But used in the right way they can be a great ally.

Well I guess I’ll end the report here, because like I said I am no writer. I express myself through expressions, tones, and words spoken rather than on paper. I am also a perfectionist and it kills me to write because I can never get what I am really trying to say out. I feel like there is sooooo much lost. Now that’s personal, I love reading and there are some gifted writers that completely engulf me in a fully immersive experience with simple text on a paper, but alas this is not me.

What do you guys think? Thanks for reading

Ice

Hello! Good posting/ eading. I think this may fall under the category of report experiences but it has already begun. I'll add something and see what happens.

LSA is a supreme entity in its natural state. It does take courage to arrange, eat(or extract) and drink the seeds. The purge is horrible, shocking, unveiling and alien.. much like the ayahuasca brew in a sense. That takes quite the amount, though. It takes patience to learn the ways. Growing the plant aids in this relationship. I knew this plant to be a gentle, uplifting and spiritual guide as my first experience with morning glory is about to begin.

It was early in the bright, bird-singing, calm, crisp morning. One glass of chilled water was taken about 2 hours prior to aid in digestion and assimilation, leading to eating the raw, whole seeds in equal, small amounts.

8:30a.m - 25 seeds chewed efficiently and swallowed. The taste was rich in earthy presence. I knew I was in for something beyond what I had perceived at that time. As a half-hour passes, I began to feel different. Nothing really unusual. The world was becoming lighter, softer and more rich in abundance. Nature was much more apparent. It is growing inside of me this earthly, silent feeling.. grounded but subtle lightness of energy.

9:30a.m - Another 25 seeds chewed nicely and swallowed. My senses are enhancing slowly and beautifully. My contentment and appreciation for these seeds and my environment was immense. Upliftment is present making me giggle and laugh at the simplest things such as tools, movement, sound, wind and food.

10:15a.m - The seeds are digesting nicely, no discomfort whatsoever. Starting to peak heavenly. I smoke half a bowl of quality cannabis and can feel the divergence of effects dive in to my experience. I finish the radiant bowl and go upstairs but before going up I sat down on the floor momentarily only to be witnessed by CEV's. Movement of waves flowing in a colorful, detailed gateway pattern of transparent energy. Cannabis certainly has a profound relationship with Ipomoea. After this I returned to my living space upstairs with no struggle. I was seeing/feeling emerging possibilities in my inner vision.

10:30. - As I sit in contentment and joy, I feel a strong, therapeutic meditation taking place in my space of thought reference. I knew this plant was speaking to me. Quite an inexpressible experience. Pure being. A sense of belonging, truth, openness and inner dance. A kind of personal, subtle celebration. This continued for some time.

2:00p.m. - The peak effects faded gracefully. At this time I was hungry and had a nice meal. It was delicious and I was grateful much more than per usual.

LSA containing plants have messages to share about reality and introduces new, personal experiences. I feel taking it slow and starting with a low dose is wiser and safer. From this experience, it certainly is possible to have a minor life changing event from low dose LSA.. if done correctly and not forcefully. Growing the plants certainly helps. I might share more experiences in the coming days or so. This experience gave me a good idea of what it is capable of. With care, patience, ease and possibly a friend, it can become a very opening experience, as well!

I also find LSA to be a profound substance that gets a bad rap, but I can't say that I've ever had the experience of contacting a spirit guide/animal. I once felt the presence of and felt as though I was channeling or communicating with the HBWR, syrian rue, Salvia, and fly agaric spirits all at the same time, but I had combined all of these things.

This was with a pretty high dose and combined with syrian rue which can greatly potentiate the effects. Most of my other experiences have been no where near as intense as this.

In contrast to you guys, I've always found LSA to be pretty easy on the body and not psychologically difficult like ayahuasca/anahuasca. I've only ever puked once due to LSA, but I always take a very low dose of Datura beforehand to prevent nausea. I also only occasionally get diarrhea with morning glories and never get it with HBWR. And these are the only important negative side effects I ever get.

And I've pretty much never had a difficult experience with LSA. It's always very euphoric and fills me awe for nature, the world, and being alive.

But many people do get pretty bad side effects from LSA seeds. Some even get deliriant types of effects. Actually, the whole spirit guide thing seems comparable to delirium in some ways. I've never found LSA to cause anything close to delirium and it has never caused me to lose control of my actions.

I wonder if this is why I have a hard time getting more profound effects without taking high doses and/or potentiating it with syrian rue.

Combinations can be incredible experiences! I find cannabis decreases the nauseating effect of LSA while delivering and engaging its own unique structure. Synchronized. Really, it's the glycosides within LSA containing plants that induces this kind of emetic effect. In my experience, it potentiates the entire experience into a transcendent experience. That is where I think the difficult experiences come from.

The awe of LSA certainly is profound. A friend had an experience with morning glory and the trip was heavy during the peak. At first he was light, relaxed and euphoric and a little stoned.. ended up in a forest not knowing who he was(delirious) and having a vision with his mother. The temperature was incredibly hot that day and he ate 100 seeds at once for his first immersion. I did the same amount and experienced no delirium but resulted in quite heavy sedation and interesting visuals. I peaked while walking into the restrooms in a towndown diner. Quite glorious and I didn't throw up. I was capable of talking and walking.

It's interesting that you have not experienced delirium but you ingest this datura for the negative nausea effect from LSA. Do you experience effects from datura seeds other than the reduced nausea?

I only take a threshold or very light dose of Datura. The only notable effect I get from the Datura is slight sedation at this dose. But the sedation goes away once the LSA seeds kick in.

From my very limited experience of LSA without a low predose of Datura, I would say that I personally don't find Datura to potentiate LSA containing seeds, but some people say it does. I've seen one report of a 5 fold potentiation, but I find this dubious.

To me, LSA seeds are completely psychedelic. I rarely ever experience any sedation. It is almost always somewhat stimulating. And I never get anything close to delirium.

This is not typical from what I can gather though. It might be due to my very high natural tolerance to delirium. I can take 1200mg of diphenhydramine without experiencing actual delirium despite having no developed tolerance to this drug. For most people, this would be about twice the standard total delirium dose.

I find it interesting that you can get such strong effects from 100 morning glory seeds. For me, 500 heavenly blue seeds are needed to produce moderate but closer to mild psychedelic effects. In contrast, 100 would be almost inactive in me and would only be mild for most people.

I also do not have bad experiences with HWBR or morning glories. I have partook many times and I get the feeling that the world is beautiful and fresh and crisp and just ugh, its so lovely. But these three experiences stood out, I believe set and setting had a great deal to do with it.

LSD, mushrooms, bufotenine, nor dmt have all never produced effects even close to LSA. Not to say they are "weaker" or less intense, but LSA stands out completely on it own. I discourage people who compares it to LSD even calling it a weaker version. There is no way to easily explain psychedelics, and the comparison is tru in some respects, but IMO they are as different as mushrooms and LSD.

I dont have experience with plants producing delirium, but I am not so sure I would call it that. Have you ever just been so totally engulfed in an experience that you have no option but to go with it? Thats more what I would say this was but maybe delirious is a good word for it I dont know what to call it.

I do get the giggles as well over simplke things like just moving my arm in front of me or something. Every movement has its own euphoria, the feeling of being alive is a great feeling. I also have never gotten anything close to visuals. I do get what I call "HD" vision, which basically means everything is super cut and focused and I can see an ant on a tree from far distances. It almost seems that I could control how far my eyes would focus, similar to different magnifications of a microscope.

I do get bodyload but usually only for a portion of the trip, and it usually happens within the first 2 hours and fades away. I agree with the stimulated feeling, I get that too.

Thanks for the responses guys, I really am interested in what other people really go through with LSA. The range of effects that people experience has a lot to do with the content of the seeds I guess. I do not understand the wide range of reports other than that.

I think that the wide range of possible experiences has a lot to do with the wide variety of alkaloids and toxin found in the seeds. LSA is not the only ergotamide found in LSA containing seeds. LSH for instance is in higher concentrations in fresh seeds. And the mix of various ergotamides could lead to various synergistic effects based on the specific proportions of each active compound.

But the desired actives in LSA containing seeds can also have toxic effects. From what I've read about people taking purified LSA seed alkaloid extracts, the nausea and vasoconstriction are still present.

Individual tolerance to any of the toxic effects of any of the actives in the seeds will vary. And tolerance to undesirable compounds will also vary.

It seem reasonable to assume that people who experience more side effects are more likely to have an unenjoyable or even deliriant experience with LSA seeds due to the added psychological stress of the side effects.

I think that people who like LSA seeds tend to be those who don't experience the negative side effects so much.

As one who has worked extensively with LSA my friend totally agrees that it is an underrated entheogen, and it will always hold a special place in the heart. Never encountered any animal spirits though. He started with seeds like many people, but found the side effects to be quite a turnoff.. mainly the sedating, delerius headspace that just felt like a unpleasant place. But the warm glow and psychedelic effect to everything was nice, so maybe there was more to these seeds.

Actually HBWR seeds are a mess of about 50 different alkaloids, some producing nice effects and some producing bad side effects. Extractions get rid of many of the nasty ones, and wow can they be potent. I will never forget the night when he learned how strong LSA really can be.

One night after working on an LSA extraction, my friend ended up with a 100 HBWR seeds worth of clear golden freebase resin. Having drank that night he got a little reckless and smirred HALF of the total residue on his finger and licked it clean. It tasted quite bitter, but didnt think much of it.

At first he thought it was a failure. A half hour ticked by and nothing. An hour ticked by and still nothing.. But then an hour and a half things began to feel a little funny, and he noticed a euphoric feeling creeping up and things began to glow. Things began progressing more and the computer screen started sparkling and swaying with the waves of euphoria. Success! It wasnt a failure afterall. Only he kept climbing higher and higher, and soon was completely enveloped by the experience, full on open eye visuals fluttering everywhere. It was at that moment it hit me what he had really done... SWIM had just arrogantly consumed 50-60 HBWR seeds worth of very pure extract and was in for a hell of a ride.

Well it wasnt long before it was so overwhelming he had to lay down, yet there suprisingly wasnt overwhelming anxiety. He soon began soaring through euphoric brilliant landscapes of places on earth, through forests, over mountains, oceans, deserts, and finally into space and time and then Nirvana. He was floating in space viewing the cosmos and milky way in a state of pure bliss feeling the oneness and connectedness of all that encompasses reality. We are somehow all one in the same essence just taking on different forms, and once born into reality that essence is isolated, like putting the top half of an egg shell over a small portion, temporarily severing it from the rest, only to return later. There were other realizations as well like how time is somehow infinitly dimensionally expanding, but needless to say it was one of the most profound experiences of his life. It was beautiful.

LSA can be a very powerful teacher and I definitly had a new respect for it after that. That level seems like it would be easily too overwhelming for many people. And to this day I will say if you want a really great experience go with an extract.

Yeah that is good info, I agree that the side effects can be a huge tyrn off. My friends have yet to make an extract though but Kash you have them super interested now. I didn't have much time to dig through this site too terribly much and the extraction methods you posted, Kash, seems simple enough for them to try. It is super straightforward. Do you think it would be wise maybe to extract 50 seeds instead? Is that too little? Was the vial picture you posted the 100's worth of extract? Or is it less or more than 100's worth.

Thanks for the input guys

Ya there is nothing wrong with using 50 seeds, it just seems more worthwhile to do 100. That pic was just part of a extract for picture purposes, rest was in the amber bottle behind the glowing one.