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Help please - I just started Joshisom's acacia confusa extraction I never froze the root bark and thawed before I started the acid boils Did I just waste a kg of acacia??? And I am you and what I see is me.
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Freezing and thawing just helps break apart the cells and allow the DMT to be extracted easier. Just do another couple acid boils to get as much as you can out of the bark. You should always start with smaller amounts of bark if you're not familiar with the tek 
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Definitely no ! Freeze is to help lysing cells. Even if you don't freeze and taw it will work but your yield will probably be lower (not even sure if someone did a side by side test to know if it's true) Anyway, you still can do it (freeze) and do more acid boil after. Happy extraction ! Edit : Metanoia is faster than me and right about amounts you used for a firstime « I love the smell of boiling MHRB in the morning »
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dysfunctional word machine
Posts: 1831 Joined: 15-Mar-2014 Last visit: 11-Jun-2018 Location: at the center of my universe
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As others said above, nothing is lost yet. An estimate of yield and success/failure can only be made after reducing and basifying the extract and pulling with nonpolar and precipitating product.
Don't be disappointed if you don't get the super yields that are sometimes reported. For a first extraction, it is already good to get any result. Even the experience of the work could be seen as a result.
If you are not sure of your methods and techniques, start with less material, eg. 100 grams, until you feel more confident.
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There's no place like the Underground
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I truly believed that I did enough research and I just wasn't fully prepared. Thanks for your input I'm a bit less scared And I am you and what I see is me.
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It can be difficult to do so, but it is beneficial to try and understand the reason why you are performing each step of the extraction. For example, from a crude point of view, for me extracting DMT is like making spaghetti. You put stuff in a bowl...you mix...you put more stuff in a bowl...you mix...then "strain" out the liquid. Now you can think of a certain step as "putting in a bowl to mix" or you can realize that it's an acidification step to help chemically break down the cell wall structures. "Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein
"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead
"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
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Posts: 459 Joined: 13-Mar-2013 Last visit: 20-May-2020
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In reference to Global 's suggestion, I would recommend downloading Cyb's Max Ion Tek in the STB forum and reading the "why"page after the tek. Even though you 're doing joshisom 's it should help with the wholistic understanding. I am curious why you are attempting to extract potentially 10- 20 grams on your first go. I hope you're making an indefinite supply for yourself and to give freely to close, well informed friends, not anything else. Forge a Path with Heart <3
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Continuum wrote:In reference to Global 's suggestion, I would recommend downloading Cyb's Max Ion Tek in the STB forum and reading the "why"page after the tek. Even though you 're doing joshisom 's it should help with the wholistic understanding.
I am curious why you are attempting to extract potentially 10- 20 grams on your first go. I hope you're making an indefinite supply for yourself and to give freely to close, well informed friends, not anything else. 1st of all , this is good advice about doing smaller amount 1st up  , also I don't no why ppl are doing the long acid boils when it's proven that there's no need for them as Cybs TEKs are newbies friendly complete with pictorial and also so much cleaner and yeild just as much  , 2ndly who cares what he does with it ! Some ppl like to do the TEK once then never do it again , or it's him and his mates , me personally see extracting as a hobby and I enjoy doing them and if I stock pile a mountain of crystals that's great ! But to hint at that he better not be selling it is just wrong  ! Anyway good luck WanderingTraveler ! Safe journeys 
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Earthwalker wrote:2ndly who cares what he does with it!...
...but to hint at that he better not be selling it is just wrong Well...Actually: The Traveler wrote:I think it is important that you understand that large scale extractions are frowned upon at the the DMT-Nexus. The reasons for that are:
The primary users of large scale extractions are drugs dealers, something we loath.
Having large amounts of a schedule 1 substance in your possession is NOT a good thing if you get caught. You will not only be prosecuted for the schedule 1 substance but also for the intent of distribution.
Many small scale extractions will get you acquainted with the extraction procedure.
Many small scale extractions will make you understand the workings beind each step of the extraction.
Many small scale extractions will not be a big loss if the extraction fails.
Many small scale extractions will let you fine tune your process.
So as you can see we encourage small scale extractions.
Kind regards,
The Traveler Please do not PM tek related questions Reserve the right to change your mind at any given moment.
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Posts: 995 Joined: 08-Dec-2013 Last visit: 24-Apr-2022
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Point well taken noted and filed , didn't think of it like that !
My apologies Continuum , spoke out before thinking !
But as I said before ,I do like doing the extractions , it's more a hobby to me ( expensive not really )
But as my wife said it's better then a train set or model cars lol !
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There's no place like the Underground
Posts: 82 Joined: 15-Mar-2014 Last visit: 10-Sep-2019 Location: Inside the Labyrinth
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I should have tried a scaled down version but I was ready to try it big. I'm not one to wet my toes, I prefer to dive into the water I'm well enough educated on the science behind the tek to understand why each step is necessary, The freezing concept is something I happened to overlook As far as the scale of my extraction goes, Yes I was hoping for a lifetime supply myself, and hoping to share the experience with those around me, being someone who craves to experience, and learn, that would be a dream come true Tad bit insulted by the drug dealer notion but that does make sense - I just hope to perfect the process, and be able to extract anytime I like, it is a very interesting process, I have learned quite a bit Thank you all for your time And I am you and what I see is me.
And do I take you by the hand
And lead you through the land
And help me understand
The best I can.
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