I have heard plenty of different reports around the nexus, as well as other forums and websites, that Diplopterys Cabrerana (Chaliponga) contains 5-MeO-DMT as well as N-N,DMT and betacarbolines. I have also read reports here on the nexus stating the exact opposite, that the claims to D. Cabrerana containing 5-MeO is nothing more then a myth.

It seems that there has not been anything consistently confirmed when it comes to this topic. It seems that half the sources found say yes, it does contain it, and half say it does not. Some even claim that D. Cabrerana even contains small amounts of bufotenine.

What I want to know is, which states are true? Has there been any actual scientific testing done on extracts of D. Cabrerana to test its alkaloid profile? If there has, does anyone have links to the results or would be able to post pictures of the results?

The reason I am so interested in this is that I have noticed that my experiences with extracts made from D. Cabrerana have always been very different compared to extracts from MHRB and other plant sources. They seem to be more dose sensitive and have a higher and somewhat more unpleasant body load compared to other extracts. This happens with both A/B and STB procedures.

I have also read reports of extracts of D. Cabrerana being active sublingually without the addition of any MAOI. There was a thread started by Jamie on an Isopropyl Alcohol extraction tek used on D. Cabrerana that resulted in an oily, waxy crystal substance that was active sublingually with no MAOIs. It is my understanding that N,N-DMT is not active through this ROA without the addition of MAOIs. If this is wrong, please correct me.

I have only tried this ROA once with quidding a few grams of leaf material. It resulted in a slight alteration in body sensations, but placebo can not be ruled out for this due to the very small amount used and the very, almost unnoticable effects. If I had done more and had more pronounced effects, then I would consider ruling out placebo and say that there is for sure something other then the N,N that is in there.

These reports lead me to believe that there is indeed something other then just N,N DMT in this plant, but again I can not find any scientific evidence to prove that right or wrong.

If there is anyone that could confirm these claims on either side through scientific means I would greatly appreciate your input. Maybe someone knows of a way that I could get my extract tested to see exactly what alkaloids it contains?

Any and all input is greatly appreciated Nexians!

One analysis did not find any 5-MeO in a single specimen.

Inb4 end

Claims of significant amount of 5-MeO-DMT in chaliponga seem to be only a misunderstanding from not checking the sources of claims.

There were 4 analysis, 3 published and one by the Nexus. The 3 analysis of the leaves didn`t show any 5-MeO-DMT, only DMT and traces of other substances. One analysis from agurell 1968 of the stem showed traces of 5-MeO-DMT. Christian Raetsch claimed it has 5-MeO-DMT using agurell reference without mentioning the amounts, and everybody else quoted raetsch not checking their sources.

In no analysis did it show any significant amount of 5-MeO-DMT, and specially nothing in leaves.

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.m...MeO-DMT#Diplopterys_spp.

Thanks to both of you for providing sources to clear that up. I wonder what it is that creates such a different experience compared to other plants then?

I'm going to say this, with the acknowledgement that I have minimal experience with D. cabrerana and the acknowledgement that some of those who have greater experience will most likely disagree with the following statement. However:

It might be self-suggestion. The DMT experience is so varied, that imo, it seems somewhat of a stretch to say that subjective experiences can give us a good idea of the alkaloidal makeup of a given plant.

It might also be the combination of other trace alkaloids in the leaves. Now, perhaps some specimens do have more significant amounts of 5-MeO than those tested by end and agurell. It very well may be, but afaik, there is no documented analytical evidence.

Now, perhaps if people who have D. cabrerana samples were interested in making some of that material available for analysis, it might be possible to learn more.

Its not self suggestion. This I know for sure. Ive taken DMT hundred of times if not 1000+ times..mimosa does not varry THAT much. Diplopterys is a different experience, period. It's still a "DMT experience"..but its like saying a cyanescen is like a cubensis.

I mainly work with D. Cabrerana now since MHRB is not legal in my country. I would be willing to give up a sample to have it tested, but I have no idea how to go about doing this. Anything for the advancement of knowledge!

Even if the experience of chaliponga is more variable and differs from other DMT containing plants, that doesn't prove that the differences are due to 5-MeO-DMT. It could be other undetermined alkaloids that are responsible. Plus, most other sources of DMT are well documented to have other alkaloids such as the NMT in Acacia confusa, gramine and beta-carbolines in phalaris grasses, and beta-carbolines in mimosa. So it makes sense that there would some differences in the experiences produced by each plant.

I am not saying that the differences are caused by the presence of 5-MeO, but I am curious as to what it is that does cause these differences. Maybe it is a difference in the concentrations of beta-carboline compounds, and the different ones that are in each plant. However, I feel that the beta-carbolines would not cause the significant difference that is felt when using a D. Cabrerana extract compared to other plants extracts.