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omnilucident wrote:Good luck buddy! let me know how it goes.
I just got a whole load of phyllodes but will have to wait till I can PM to get the tek I need to extract from them. I tried phyllodes. Grind, soak in vinegar?, freeze, thaw and crush, boil with vodka, reduce, pull with acetone and ISP. I got nothing but a lot o goo. And a thin wallet. But it's trial and error so no loss. Maybe there is DMT in the goo I got but can't take MAOI inhibitor like harmaline to ingest. ATM I am comfortable with a 'business man's trip'... Good luck with your tek and let me know how it goes mate-
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A certain amount of tweaking current teks is needed for phyllodes , like I've said before there are certain steps that are essential. Firstly thorough lysing is most important. Degumming is also very important.
Then you do a prolonged soak n shake method in just cold metho. Get a big jar cover the phyllodes and as often as possible shake the hell out of it. Do this for a week.
You then decant the liquid away and freeze thaw the plant material in pH 5 vinegar water so that the plant material is fully covered with the liquid surface 5ml or so above, tartaric has been used by some nexus members and vinegar is the most common.
Then just a standard acid base, once thawed boil for 45 minutes, decant liquid then repeat twice more with fresh vinegar water. Combine these liquids and reduce them down to 750ml on the stove.
Let it cool and filter the plant bits that are left in through coffee filters.
Add lye to get pH to 13 and leave it react for an hour or so. Put the jar in a warm but not hot waterbath.
The solution should now be ruby red and this a sign you have lysed the material thoroughly, there may be a sediment at the bottom but this is nothing to worry about.
Then add 20g of normal salt (non-iodized)and let it dissolve. Then add warm naptha thats been heated via the waterbath method and roll the jar and let it mix and separate 4 times and siphon it off, for 2kg phyllodes a good amount to use would probably be approx 150-200ml per pull and .4-1 ml of naptha per gram of plant material in total. Do this until you pull no more spice.
Wash the naptha with pH9 basic salty water and separate again. Reduce the combined pulls with a normal fan until its milky and you can see spice precipitating when you blow on it. Freeze precipitate for 18-24 hrs.
Dry and vape!
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DreaMTripper wrote:A certain amount of tweaking current teks is needed for phyllodes , like I've said before there are certain steps that are essential. Firstly thorough lysing is most important. Degumming is also very important.
Boiling in 30/70 metho/ water would not be dangerous it wont be flammable and has been proved to be very effective at removing the gums and resins etc from the plant material. Or a prolonged soak n shake method in just cold metho.
You then decant the liquid away and freeze thaw the plant material in pH 5 vinegar water so that the plant material is fully covered with the liquid surface 5ml or so above, tartaric has been used by some nexus members and vinegar is the most common.
Then just a standard acid base, once thawed boil for 45 minutes, decant liquid then repeat twice more with fresh vinegar water. Combine these liquids and reduce them down to 750ml on the stove.
Let it cool and filter the plant bits that are left in through coffee filters.
Add lye to get pH to 13 and leave it react for an hour or so. Put the jar in a warm but not hot waterbath.
The solution should now be ruby red and this a sign you have lysed the material thoroughly, there may be a sediment at the bottom but this is nothing to worry about.
Then add 20g of normal salt (non-iodized)and let it dissolve. Then add warm naptha thats been heated via the waterbath method and roll the jar and let it mix and separate 4 times and siphon it off, for 2kg phyllodes a good amount to use would probably be approx 150-200ml per pull and .4-1 ml of naptha per gram of plant material in total. Do this until you pull no more spice.
Wash the naptha with pH9 basic salty water and separate again. Reduce the combined pulls with a normal fan until its milky and you can see spice precipitating when you blow on it. Freeze precipitate for 18-24 hrs.
Dry and vape!
'saved' but still I am cautious about lye. I went for the foodsafe method. I have been successful with an extract from bark now- limonene honey I think it's called. Similar to vaping crystals but needs to be smoked instead to produce the effects- stoked I finally got it- effects are same and different but totally love it  not sure if there are other steps I could take to get crystals. I like the effects of the 'Jungle DMT' holding it in for 15 seconds isn't too bad...not sure if it's good for the lungs though. Thanks for the phyllode tip. I used a kg of phyllodes before- acuminata confirmed now from my successful bark extraction from a recently felled tree (not by me) Do you know if the lye ends up in the finished product?
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zzzwurple wrote:omnilucident wrote:Good luck buddy! let me know how it goes.
I just got a whole load of phyllodes but will have to wait till I can PM to get the tek I need to extract from them. I tried phyllodes. Grind, soak in vinegar?, freeze, thaw and crush, boil with vodka, reduce, pull with acetone and ISP. I got nothing but a lot o goo. And a thin wallet. But it's trial and error so no loss. Maybe there is DMT in the goo I got but can't take MAOI inhibitor like harmaline to ingest. ATM I am comfortable with a 'business man's trip'... Good luck with your tek and let me know how it goes mate- Thanks DreamTripper for your method...view above omnilucident..and let me know how you go- phyllodes are kinder to the tree...good to have some acuminata friends
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zzzwurple wrote:DreaMTripper wrote:A certain amount of tweaking current teks is needed for phyllodes , like I've said before there are certain steps that are essential. Firstly thorough lysing is most important. Degumming is also very important.
Boiling in 30/70 metho/ water would not be dangerous it wont be flammable and has been proved to be very effective at removing the gums and resins etc from the plant material. Or a prolonged soak n shake method in just cold metho.
You then decant the liquid away and freeze thaw the plant material in pH 5 vinegar water so that the plant material is fully covered with the liquid surface 5ml or so above, tartaric has been used by some nexus members and vinegar is the most common.
Then just a standard acid base, once thawed boil for 45 minutes, decant liquid then repeat twice more with fresh vinegar water. Combine these liquids and reduce them down to 750ml on the stove.
Let it cool and filter the plant bits that are left in through coffee filters.
Add lye to get pH to 13 and leave it react for an hour or so. Put the jar in a warm but not hot waterbath.
The solution should now be ruby red and this a sign you have lysed the material thoroughly, there may be a sediment at the bottom but this is nothing to worry about.
Then add 20g of normal salt (non-iodized)and let it dissolve. Then add warm naptha thats been heated via the waterbath method and roll the jar and let it mix and separate 4 times and siphon it off, for 2kg phyllodes a good amount to use would probably be approx 150-200ml per pull and .4-1 ml of naptha per gram of plant material in total. Do this until you pull no more spice.
Wash the naptha with pH9 basic salty water and separate again. Reduce the combined pulls with a normal fan until its milky and you can see spice precipitating when you blow on it. Freeze precipitate for 18-24 hrs.
Dry and vape!
'saved' but still I am cautious about lye. I went for the foodsafe method. I have been successful with an extract from bark now- limonene honey I think it's called. Similar to vaping crystals but needs to be smoked instead to produce the effects- stoked I finally got it- effects are same and different but totally love it not sure if there are other steps I could take to get crystals. I like the effects of the 'Jungle DMT' holding it in for 15 seconds isn't too bad...not sure if it's good for the lungs though. Thanks for the phyllode tip. I used a kg of phyllodes before- acuminata confirmed now from my successful bark extraction from a recently felled tree (not by me) Do you know if the lye ends up in the finished product? Not if you wash the pulls after with a bit of pH 8-9 sodium carbonate solution, 1/4 the volume of the NP should do it. Glad youve reached a satisfactory result! How did you extract the freebase from the limonene?
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DreaMTripper wrote:zzzwurple wrote:DreaMTripper wrote:A certain amount of tweaking current teks is needed for phyllodes , like I've said before there are certain steps that are essential. Firstly thorough lysing is most important. Degumming is also very important.
Boiling in 30/70 metho/ water would not be dangerous it wont be flammable and has been proved to be very effective at removing the gums and resins etc from the plant material. Or a prolonged soak n shake method in just cold metho.
You then decant the liquid away and freeze thaw the plant material in pH 5 vinegar water so that the plant material is fully covered with the liquid surface 5ml or so above, tartaric has been used by some nexus members and vinegar is the most common.
Then just a standard acid base, once thawed boil for 45 minutes, decant liquid then repeat twice more with fresh vinegar water. Combine these liquids and reduce them down to 750ml on the stove.
Let it cool and filter the plant bits that are left in through coffee filters.
Add lye to get pH to 13 and leave it react for an hour or so. Put the jar in a warm but not hot waterbath.
The solution should now be ruby red and this a sign you have lysed the material thoroughly, there may be a sediment at the bottom but this is nothing to worry about.
Then add 20g of normal salt (non-iodized)and let it dissolve. Then add warm naptha thats been heated via the waterbath method and roll the jar and let it mix and separate 4 times and siphon it off, for 2kg phyllodes a good amount to use would probably be approx 150-200ml per pull and .4-1 ml of naptha per gram of plant material in total. Do this until you pull no more spice.
Wash the naptha with pH9 basic salty water and separate again. Reduce the combined pulls with a normal fan until its milky and you can see spice precipitating when you blow on it. Freeze precipitate for 18-24 hrs.
Dry and vape!
'saved' but still I am cautious about lye. I went for the foodsafe method. I have been successful with an extract from bark now- limonene honey I think it's called. Similar to vaping crystals but needs to be smoked instead to produce the effects- stoked I finally got it- effects are same and different but totally love it not sure if there are other steps I could take to get crystals. I like the effects of the 'Jungle DMT' holding it in for 15 seconds isn't too bad...not sure if it's good for the lungs though. Thanks for the phyllode tip. I used a kg of phyllodes before- acuminata confirmed now from my successful bark extraction from a recently felled tree (not by me) Do you know if the lye ends up in the finished product? Not if you wash the pulls after with a bit of pH 8-9 sodium carbonate solution, 1/4 the volume of the NP should do it. Glad youve reached a satisfactory result! How did you extract the freebase from the limonene? I decanted the limonene from the bark soak after 24/48 hours into a large glass jar. Added an amount of white vinegar and swirled/ agitated solution for a couple minutes. Using a stainless turkey baster with injection tip pulled the bottom non polar layer (vinegar) and decanted into another glass dish. 3 pulls and then a final one using half a cup of near boiling water. Poured the limonene back in the bark soak container. After reducing in a hot water bath I am left with a honey coloured sticky goo. This I smoked in the machine and typical DMT effects are felt. It is unlike other DMT I have vaped in that it is more a goo and it needs to smoke for the effects to be felt. Do you think I have extracted freebase from the limonene? Will an acetone or IPA wash clean it up or will I ruin what I have? It sounds like there may be another step...I have lye and sodium carbonate for the next experiment.
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Ok, you see when you added the vinegar to the limo you converted the spice to its salt form so if you reduce that polar extract down to a goo you have spice/dmt acetate (salt form) so thats why you had to actually smoke it to get effect. You need to do something like the paste n pull method to convert it back to a freebase then it will be able to be vaporised cleanly. Step 6 Acetates Conversion
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DreaMTripper wrote:Ok, you see when you added the vinegar to the limo you converted the spice to its salt form so if you reduce that polar extract down to a goo you have spice/dmt acetate (salt form) so thats why you had to actually smoke it to get effect. You need to do something like the paste n pull method to convert it back to a freebase then it will be able to be vaporised cleanly. Step 6 Acetates Conversion You're awesome mate will do the acetates conversion and let you know how it goes. Yes polar layer was pulled from the bottom. Is smoking the spice/ dmt acetatate wasteful or harmful or just more unpleasant?
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Probably just wasteful and unpleasant but I cant imagine acetic acid smoke/fumes being good for you.
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DreaMTripper wrote:Probably just wasteful and unpleasant but I cant imagine acetic acid smoke/fumes being good for you. Yeah I think the smoke makes me hack a bit the next day...time to convert to freebase then...off to hardware store for more acetone which is a lot cheaper than IPA
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DreaMTripper wrote:Probably just wasteful and unpleasant but I cant imagine acetic acid smoke/fumes being good for you. Just did some research and acetic acid is the residue from the vinegar and you're right the fumes aren't healthy. I don't need to hammer my lungs anymore...do you know, will these excessive posts I am making result in a full membership of this forum?
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Theres a thread somewhere about promotion it doesnt work on quantity of posts otherwise the forum would get spammed with nonsense for the sake of upping post count.
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DreaMTripper wrote:Theres a thread somewhere about promotion it doesnt work on quantity of posts otherwise the forum would get spammed with nonsense for the sake of upping post count.
Yeah I saw something about having an introduction about self can help. I'm not trying to spam as you know just trying to get this right. It is supposed to be easy to extract DMT but I would not say that. I have had enough failures and many hours spent driving and experimenting to say otherwise. Probably need a new blender too. Once I get it right it will be easy and then I can share that knowledge with others
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DreaMTripper wrote:Ok, you see when you added the vinegar to the limo you converted the spice to its salt form so if you reduce that polar extract down to a goo you have spice/dmt acetate (salt form) so thats why you had to actually smoke it to get effect. You need to do something like the paste n pull method to convert it back to a freebase then it will be able to be vaporised cleanly. Step 6 Acetates Conversion Carbonate and acetone did the trick. I did not get crystals but more of a golden goo. Might not be dried enough? But the vapour was pleasant and I spent some beautiful time in hyperspace. I placed a fine mesh screen above the scourer and that helped keep it in place. Apart from my reclining chair falling over backward in the dark it was all about the positive....I really appreciate all your help by the way. I will try the phyllodes again as per method above.
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Good to know! Yes acetone evaps too quick to produce solids but IPA evapped slowly will produce nice shards if dmt is the only alk. Well done
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DreaMTripper wrote:Good to know! Yes acetone evaps too quick to produce solids but IPA evapped slowly will produce nice shards if dmt is the only alk. Well done I can't thank you enough. I will try IPA and see if there is a difference. I channeled from deep though off and on for 2 hours until I could not travel anymore. I might have to use discretion with the spice it is brilliant but deserves respect...
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Glad I could help. Yes DMT deserves utmost respect be sure not to overdo it and risk a hyperslap and to allow time to integrate each experience.
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DreaMTripper wrote:Glad I could help. Yes DMT deserves utmost respect be sure not to overdo it and risk a hyperslap and to allow time to integrate each experience. Well I haven't had a hyperslap experience yet (once an angry face that was huge and a little bit terrifying a long awhile back...) but I have read the links you supplied so I know what they mean. Balance and integration of each experience into daily life if able to make sense of it. I found that there can be a lot more vapour from the machine than what I previously would get...thick and white and long lasting...low flame and finding the sweet spot... OK I see what you are saying about respect. I have a a repetitive desire to elongate an enjoyable experience...Spice is nice. Anything really enjoyable has to be used in moderation. Sometimes easier said than done!! I had a short interlude x 2? with a long-limbed female (?) being..and not quite sure what the significance of that would be. Staying there long enough is an issue. The acetate conversion is brilliant and the answer to that problem. I like the goo and don't feel a need to make crystals. It seems like the acetone pulls more? I do have a hacking cough in the morning but maybe that is just me and not related to the spice. The fine mesh screen over the ss scourer seems to help with containment...
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DreaMTripper wrote:Good to know! Yes acetone evaps too quick to produce solids but IPA evapped slowly will produce nice shards if dmt is the only alk. Well done Hi DreaMTripper as you can tell I am stoked that I have been able to extract DMT from the acuminata bark. I was reading the active thread about CYB's salt tek you have been involved with and I was wondering if you could direct me...do I add non-iodized salt when I mix the pre-vinegar soaked bark in vinegar and then mix it in withe the lime (until it is dry and crumbly) or do I mix the salt in when I add the limonene to the mix? And also, for 100gr of bark- how much salt? Not many threads about the food safe method I am using. It works but if I can increase yields! Thanks in advance...
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The salt is added after the base in the solution, but it cant be used in a dry tek like the one you are using.
For a full on efficient 'food safe' tek you need to use fumaric acid then water crystalize but the latter seems a tricky one to get right but water crystalized spice must be so smooth on the throat and chest if only there was a bubblebag method..
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