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evowuution
#1 Posted : 3/29/2014 10:51:28 PM

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Foreword: My friend has experienced with several Psychedelics in his past, 2C-E, 2C-B, A.Muscaria, LSD, etc.
My point is; he knows what psychedelics are like, and he believes that Acacia Confusa is psychedelic, without MAOI's.

-------------------why does he believe that?-------------------------------------------
Some months ago my friend decided to do his first experiment with DMT, by consuming Ayahuasca.

He checked the laws regarding export/import of various MAOI containing herbs to his country, and saw that Syrian Rue, Banisteriopsis caapi, and other plants were classified as drugs (which you need a prescription to import/export).

But he had already received his 150 grams of shredded Acacia Confusa root bark, and thought the extraction TEK's looked advanced and out of his league. Confused
He had read one trip report about AC being active without a MAOI, due to beta carbolines. ( 0.6% )

He decided to be a lab rat and try a large dose of AC without MAOI, in the name of science.

He measured up 2 liters of water, added the 150grams of ACRB, and a sliced kiwi (to acidify the water slightly).

He placed it on his stove and sat it on the second lowest heat, 2 out of 9. After about 15 minutes the water started to simmer. After 4 hours of simmering he took out the 2 pieces of kiwi, and added 2 new ones.
He let it simmer for about 8 hours, about half of the water had evaporated. (1L left.)

He drank 250ml of the foul-tasting liquid in one go, and laid down on his couch. After only 15 minutes he felt quite energetic, and happy. This lasted for about 50 minutes.
He couldn't tell whether the effects had been placebo or not after those 50minutes, so he decided to drink the 750ml he had left.

He filled a 1Liter juice bottle with the remaining liquid, 750ml, (350ml left for air, he made a hole in the bottle's "neck", to prevent vacuum) and chugged it down, he immediately felt like puking, but managed to hold it down by lying on the couch. the nausea lasted for 5minutes.

After circa 15minutes the walls in his rooms became very "smooth", soothing. He closed his eyes and were (literally)struck by a weird sensation, the music he was playing on his stereo disappeared, he could no longer feel his jaw, legs, arms, the only thing he could feel was his brain. It's hard to explain, it was intense and like nothing he had experienced before.
With his eyes closed, he saw beautiful floating rivers of colors taking the shape of different animals. It filled his vision completely, no area in his vision was not filled with colors.
During his experience, he only felt awe.

This lasted for circa 40minutes, and he was very satisfied with this experience, but looks forward to trying DMT-freebase.
 

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#2 Posted : 3/29/2014 11:11:03 PM
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Interesting report!

How the heck did you manage to drink the tea of 150 grams of acrb!? I struggle to choke down the tea from 4 grams!

Anyway you should definitely try it with a maoi. 150 grams at about 5 grams/trip is a supply for years.

 
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#3 Posted : 3/29/2014 11:41:21 PM

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Is Acacia Confusa Active w/o MAOI



nen888 wrote:
..after talking to one of the the chemists who helped with the 2001 experiments, i can clarify/correct that the betacarboline thought to be either 2MeTHBC or 1,2,3,4-tetrahydro-betacarboline, chromatographed after the DMT, which was after the NMT..the distance was very small under the solvent system..but, in one chromtograph there was a narrow band in between the NMT and DMT which fluoresced slightly under UV..i have no idea what this could be..some kind of tryptamine?
..what i would like to do is attempt to replicate the chromatographic system, and this time photograph it..finding a similar ratio of alkaloids in A. obtusifolia may be seasonal..re-chromatographing the NMT under this solvent-system is the main thing i would like to achieve..
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I wonder what other alkaloids is in there besides DMT & NMT...Confused Maybe that other band is the N-oxide?
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#4 Posted : 3/29/2014 11:47:01 PM

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thebrownser wrote:
Interesting report!

How the heck did you manage to drink the tea of 150 grams of acrb!? I struggle to choke down the tea from 4 grams!

Anyway you should definitely try it with a maoi. 150 grams at about 5 grams/trip is a supply for years.



Thank you!
And how, you ask? I assume it's because of my friends earlier experiences with foul-tasting Entheogens, and drinking ridiculously strong coffee daily, his taste buds have been trained well (or just ruined) Rolling eyes

If you're having a hard time drinking ACRB teas, I think drinking grapefruit juice often might help, your taste buds will learn to tolerate bitter-tasting liquids better, but that's only a hypothesis.

He's having a hard time getting his hands on MAOI's in his country, because they're scheduled. The only MAOI containing plant he has access to is passionflower, which is extremely weak.

But he's currently extracting 250g of ACRB, doing Lazyman's TEK. Hopefully the freebase will be pleasant than 1L of nauseating tea.
 
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#5 Posted : 3/30/2014 12:09:23 AM
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--Shadow wrote:
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I wonder what other alkaloids is in there besides DMT & NMT... Maybe that other band is the N-oxide?

A. confusa..2MTHBC (2-Methyl-Tetrahydro-Beta-Carboline) and flavonoids...
see post #1 and #2 of The Acacia Confusa Thread, plus post #54..
 
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#6 Posted : 3/30/2014 12:13:46 AM

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--Shadow wrote:
Is Acacia Confusa Active w/o MAOI

I wonder what other alkaloids is in there besides DMT & NMT...Confused Maybe that other band is the N-oxide?


either the N-oxide or some boring DMT-precursor Pleased

Acacia Confusa is fascinating, much more than Mimosa in my opinion.

 
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#7 Posted : 3/30/2014 2:17:36 AM
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evowuution wrote:
thebrownser wrote:
Interesting report!

How the heck did you manage to drink the tea of 150 grams of acrb!? I struggle to choke down the tea from 4 grams!

Anyway you should definitely try it with a maoi. 150 grams at about 5 grams/trip is a supply for years.



Thank you!
And how, you ask? I assume it's because of my friends earlier experiences with foul-tasting Entheogens, and drinking ridiculously strong coffee daily, his taste buds have been trained well (or just ruined) Rolling eyes

If you're having a hard time drinking ACRB teas, I think drinking grapefruit juice often might help, your taste buds will learn to tolerate bitter-tasting liquids better, but that's only a hypothesis.

He's having a hard time getting his hands on MAOI's in his country, because they're scheduled. The only MAOI containing plant he has access to is passionflower, which is extremely weak.

But he's currently extracting 250g of ACRB, doing Lazyman's TEK. Hopefully the freebase will be pleasant than 1L of nauseating tea.


Rue is scheduled? How weird! It has like 0 abuse potential! Drug laws never make any sense haha. Ill give that grapefruit juice a try. I am still amazed your friend could drink that. it tastes so chalky even when all sediment is gone and its a transparent red liquid.


 
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#8 Posted : 3/30/2014 1:51:42 PM

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In the light of protection of the plants, sustainability,..., it is pity to use 150 grams. Are you sure syrian rue seeds are scheduled?
 
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#9 Posted : 3/30/2014 2:33:32 PM

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Jees wrote:
In the light of protection of the plants, sustainability,..., it is pity to use 150 grams. Are you sure syrian rue seeds are scheduled?


Yes, I am 100% sure. I have checked and read the laws of my country carefully, it's on the list of narcotic seeds that's illegal to import/export.
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#10 Posted : 3/30/2014 3:59:40 PM

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Jees wrote:
In the light of protection of the plants, sustainability,..., it is pity to use 150 grams. Are you sure syrian rue seeds are scheduled?


I saw that I received a PM from you, but because new members can only send PM's to moderators, I'm not able to reply to it at the moment.
Hopefully I will be able to answer it in the future. Very happy
 
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#11 Posted : 11/8/2014 5:20:39 AM
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evowuution wrote:
thebrownser wrote:
Interesting report!

How the heck did you manage to drink the tea of 150 grams of acrb!? I struggle to choke down the tea from 4 grams!



He's having a hard time getting his hands on MAOI's in his country, because they're scheduled. The only MAOI containing plant he has access to is passionflower, which is extremely weak.

But he's currently extracting 250g of ACRB, doing Lazyman's TEK. Hopefully the freebase will be pleasant than 1L of nauseating tea.


There is always Moclobemide which isn't scheduled but reports say it feels souless compared to aya
 
 
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