I appreciate this and i am not au fait with the eletrikery/programming skils that it would take to put another subforum into effect. I am not a heavy user myself but it seems that it plays a part in a lot of members lives. In the Nexian news tabs there are currently 2 out of 5 headers that have cannabis in the title.

Preparation and experience reports of high quality could be left.
Should be strictly moderated.

And there is many info about cultivation and generic around the web. So better not to include these sections ...

So I really don't know.

Better yes.

MERGED

Hi,

I just want to share an idea.
Maybee its a good compromise to create a Cannabis Subfolder INSIDE of the Other Psycoactives Subforum.
-This way Cannabis gets the attention it deserves (IMO) , being a very powerfull and helpfull Plant when used with respect and propper intention.
-the lack of a Growing Subforum keeps Unwanted attention und concerns at a minimum

just my 2 cents

bump

So far, 19 in favor; 10 opposed.

i accidentally pressed the wrong button, sorry, i am in favour but i am not the Traveler.

I find it interesting that as a whole, the "yes" is outweighing the "no" with almost twice as many members in favor as there are opposed, but when only looking at responses from senior members the "no" outweighs the "yes" with almost twice as many senior members opposing the idea as there are in favor. This might be something to consider...

To clarify, I voted yes, but I agree that the focus shouldn't be growing for attention reasons. It would be better to put the focus on topics that more closely relate to the focal points of this forum.

n=1

**facepalm**

I knew someone would end up clicking that

i would vote yes if there plenty of server space for it. I don't think it's something that the forum really needs, being so great already, and would probably require more moderators as well (I imagine there would be a decent amount of attitude violations at first).

However.... I would bet money any day that this forum has more intelligent members than the vast majority of, if not all other forums out there that are cannabis or entheogen based.

Also I would think that MJ could be recognized as an entheogen. It may not be as powerful as others but has spiritual magic in itself, and does the banner not say entheogenic university?

If our motto is "Learn, Share, Expand," then should we not follow the labels and credos we give ourselves and provide yet another branch on this wise tree of a forum for others to learn, share, and expand? Even if it is not one's personal preference? if the subforum is not popular enough or a hassle it will disappear soon enough, but i think its worth a try.

I vote yes... yes to another subforum, yes to more information, yes to more free exchange of knowledge that makes this world so great.

That being said, there should certainly be restrictions like full members only and the like to help ensure good attitude and quality discussion. But with the gates closed except for the weekly surges, i think we have a little less to worry about as far as unwanted posting goes.

Unfortunately, a marijuana forum would eat up way too much of the precious server resources.

And it would start running super slow because the of MJ fog.

Just say no to pot, mmm'kay?

I will change my vote to yes.

I'm not sure I understand why people think that creating a sub forum for marijuana would cause unwanted behavior. I get that their is a sometimes nasty stigma associated with some potheads but I personally don't think that a sub forum created here would cause people to join the nexus.

Its pretty well known how well behaved our community is amongst those that know of us. There are many other forums with a lot of info already, that are easier to join and don't have all the regulations we have. I think it would be safe to say that the majority of people that did happen to join us due to an extensive sub forum related to marijuana would also be here rather than other forums due to our high standard of attitude and accuracy of information.

Maybe if the issues are moderating such a section then possibly the implementation of sub-mods is in order. Giving a few people mod level abilities for the marijuana section only.

I personally do not smoke anymore, but don't see any issues except for those unseen to me that deal with the duties of the moderators.

If it really would eat too much server space, or take too much time for trav to implement, then ignore the rest of this post. (dreamer and others have volunteered to move all the threads to it, if created...so that part isn't an issue)

It seems like the main arguments against it are:

1) It will attract too many "unwanted" people.

I don't yet see any logical reasoning behind this idea, even if it might sound like common sense. There is a thousand other places people interested in cannabis would choose first before the *DMT*-Nexus (not to mention taking the time to register, and become a full member). We have a mushroom section, and an RC section, a cacti section, a salvia section, etc, but we don't see people flooding the forum because they are interested in posting in the RC section for example, do we? This is not really any different. If it makes people feel better, we could simply make the cannabis subforum invisible to non-members, just like some of the other subforums. This will completely remove that "problem", regardless of whether or not you agree with me that it's not a problem to begin with.

2) It will detract attention from other topics

If people think this will be such a big problem, then why not make it so posts don't show up in the active topics list...just like the 'through the looking glass' subforum? Wouldn't this solve it completely?

I don't think that would be even necessary...Dreamer just found that we have over 500 topics about cannabis...and the forum is still fine in that regard. So, why not simply organize them? It's common sense. I see no reason why a cannabis sub-forum would really do anything more than just that. People are letting their personal views of the plant and it's users cloud their reasoning here IMO, and are then using these 2 arguments as quick excuses not to have it -- even though, upon investigating them, the arguments don't seem to hold up.

This number of topics is only going to grow, especially as cannabis continues towards legalization and further study. This discussion should involve more practical consideration of how it would effect the forum, good or bad, and less projection of our own personal views of the plant and the kinds of users we might associate with its use. We have an RC subforum and yet many here don't do RCs at all, or even have unfavorable views of RCs and perhaps even their users...But that doesn't mean we should delete it. I also think that many just don't understand cannabis' potential as a psychedelic (it effects us all so differently, after all), and therefore don't think it fits the forum...But countless people do in fact find it very psychedelic, so personal views like this are kind of irrelevant in this discussion.

In the end, it doesn't matter much to me really. I don't want this post to sound heated, I just thought that these things needed to be said. What it seems to come down to is that in the future are we really going to want literally thousands of cannabis topics unorganized throughout the forum, or in the appropriate section?

Please post them. I searched 25 pages deep and found maybe 5.

This was done just searching topics with these words.

Open discussion:

~20 threads on cannabis
11 on marijuana
2 on hemp
6 on weed
pot was a hit and miss as any word with those letters in it came up.

Coalition for entheogenic liberty

5 on cannabis
6 on marijuana
1 on pot

Changa, Smoking, and Ayahuasca sub forums

5 for cannabis
1 for weed

sustainable nexus

6 on cannabis
1 on marijuana

Other entheogens

55 on cannabis
12 on marijuana
14 on weed

Thats around 145 just searching threads with those words in the subject.

5? Dreamer has already indexed many many times that in the new cannabis index thread. Around 150 and many more are still out there.

Use google to search, as my signature described. I'm not sure on the exact number, but there is a ton. (It's much better than the nexus search function.)

Do you have any other reasons you disagree with my response/suggestions in regards those points, apart from debating the number of cannabis threads?

500 was probably high-balling, it looks more realistically to be around 400 upon a cursory search.

There is already over 200 indexed in this thread and the search for the word cannabis hasn't yet been indexed but pulls up nearly 200 threads.

I'm sure there are plenty more stragglers that haven't been found in these simple searches and uni is on point 100% in pointing out that with cannabis legalization gaining so much momentum there is most assuredly gonna be a whole lot more cannabis related threads to come.

If you folks really think it's better to have these threads posted literally all over the forum that's fine, I just personally believe it makes more sense to put them all in one place.

Yeah, I've been sold; I change my vote to YES, sure, why not? I love weed, why not have this be my one-stop-drug-shop (so to speak)?

I VOTE NO.

My reason being that I am hear solely for DMT knowledge and to share experiences.
I don't smoke cannabis, I use to smoke but grew out of it and have no desire of doing it / talking about it.

Yes I could just avoid that area of the forum but I don't think the DMT-NEXUS should open that door.
Once that door is open it will attract a lot more people and eyes and before we know it, are family of nexans will be lost for good.

Anyway thats my opinion
I am a new member to the site but have been an avid follower for years.
Its a great place and I would hate for it to change or attract the wrong crowed and become just another drug forum.

Safe Travels

^^^ This is a perfect example of what uni was talking about.

Your personal feelings for or against cannabis use should not be involved in this decision at all.

Let's exercise some common sense here, taking into consideration that we have hundreds of cannabis threads already and they are literally all over the forum. If you do not want to read about cannabis, isn't it easier to avoid one single section than it is to have to dig though hundreds of cannabis posts scattered across the entire website to read about other topics?

This is about keeping our forum organized not about attracting potheads or changing the focus in any way. In fact everyone who is voting no is in effect voting for allowing an unchecked and widely distributed cannabis presence.