Hey, everyone. I'm just wondering what some of you consider a low dose of the molecule? To back track a bit, I began what is now turning into an experiment of sort a few weeks ago. I went through the processes and ended up cultivating some spice. I have the best intentions but I think after years of anticipation I went at it way too hard way too fast. I had a pretty mind blowing experience where I was told to understand what I was messing with and not to come back until I had. I immediately did the opposite and it was very chaotic. Since then I've been doing my homework and basically just trying to integrate the molecule into my life, understand it. Since then I've only been experimenting with lower doses and it's actually quite exciting! The only way I can really relate it is that I'm a dog, being taught tricks by the molecule and every time I do good I get a reward.. make sense? So..

What is the lowest amount I can do, without being wasteful (hypocritical?), to still feel the effects? I want to experience every part of the bunny slope and work my way up, which if I could go back in time I would have given myself this advice. It makes the onset jitters subside and the experience is a lot more navigable. I feel I can absorb things a lot easier and take in the excitement and enjoyment instead of just merely observing without thought.

I notice in a lot of posts people are just shooting for the breakthrough. Honestly, I find the threshold just before launch extremely enjoyable and relaxing. All I wanted to do was breathe deep and stretch my muscles.

Sorry, if I'm breaking the forum rules by just posting stuff like this.. but yeah how do some of you feel about this? Anyone do the same?

Doses, especially at low levels are going to be fairly difficult to exact as the quality of your freebase is basically unknown. I found with my first couple of extractions, i was very carefull to mop up the oils arround the forming crystals, and ended up with a very snowy product, and an incredibly intense expirience. Having read that the goo is infact good, i thought id try and take everything after extract. This produced a mix of DMT and DMT N Oxide. The Oxide is a far more this world trip, and i've not really managed to break through with the mixed extractions. The expirience does come on much slower, and is very pretty, but to be honest i prefer the afterglow of a nice fluffy white spice.

0.03 seems to be enough to float about sub threshold and even get up to the crysantheum. I found 0.05 - 0.06 the ascention is so fast i'll keep hold of reality in fear and produce a kollidascopic explosion in this reality. 0.04 of the white stuff, seems to be the sweet spot for an immersive breakthrough expirience.

But, i'm at about 0.05 with the DMT, DMT N Oxide mix and the smoke's too harsh, the body load gets wierd and my stomach starts to feel detatched.

Wondering if i should convert or clean what i got to go back to the whiter, cleaner, fluffy vapoury stuff.

Smoking is an art too, i always light up far away from the bowl and move it closerr very carefully, let it melt slowly and start to puff in the ash. Touch it with the flame and it gets nasty quickly.

The misinformation of N Oxide needs to stop.
There is a myth being spread that Goo is DMT N Oxide. It has been shown by analysis (endlessness here) that DMT N Oxide is 'sometimes' present in tiny amounts...almost negligible.

If you are getting active Goo...it is likely to be a mix of dmt/nmt/ beta carboline.

My first experience was a dud, immediately (15 minutes later) upon retry followed by a solid breakthrough in which I met "the clown". That was surprising and overwhelming.

If you want to test the waters a bit before taking a full plunge or boastfully cliff-dive, I suggest you look into changa.

Proper changa is a mix of DMT and harmala alkaloids infused into neutral smoking herbs.

The inclusion of harmala alkaloids allow you to smoke a little at a time, gradually building up the depth of the experience over the course of a session. This allows for a very calm and meditative use also, instead of the spectacular roller coaster that freebase-only offers.

When you feel confident enough, you can still get an at-once breaktrough smoking changa. The harmala will slow down the onset a little but also prolong the ride.

I would like to try and make some changa but I don't think I'm getting a high enough yield to make it. I'm only getting on average .4-5g per 50g ACRB extraction. Still trying to figure out if it's error on my end or just low producing bark.

You're getting around 1% which is quite normal for acrb.
(mimosa is closer to 2%)
Enjoy the fruits of your labour

That's awesome to hear! I've seen so many different numbers floating around the forums I had a hard time figuring out what's indeed normal. I'm just happy I have some spice, ya know? Maybe next time I'll try doubling up and see if I can get closer to a gram. Thanks for the reply cyb!

Thanks Cyb,

thats interesting to know. I just took my tray out the freezer and this time the goo is crazy, really orange almost red. Instead of using a measured ammount of lye i used a meter, and pushed the mixture up to 13.5. Got some huge crystals growing on what looks like a martian landscape. Going to try and scrape it up in two bits this time. The Beta carbolines sound interesting.

I wasn't aware that the crystals could be freed from the goo that easily I've just been scraping it all up into a mound of crystallized wax and been taking that.

.03 what? .03 grams? That is not a sub-threshold dose for the vast majority of people. I might suggest that you reevaluate your smoking technique, because .03-.04g (30-40mg) properly vaporized spice is enough for a breakthrough dose for most people. If DMT is vaporized properly, a threshold dose should be closer to 5mg (.005g).

I also noticed that you mentioned the smoke being harsh? Sounds to me like you may be burning a lot (most) of your alkaloids...

I've been experimenting and I've noticed that if I meditate or do breathing exercises and take 20mg out of the GVG I can have a crazy experience but if I just sit on the couch and try to maintain and observe this world I can have an intense OEV experience.

Also last night I let my girlfriend try 25mg through the GVG as she laid on the bed and I believe she had her first breakthrough, she came back in tears because of how beautiful it was she said.. she can't explain much more though.

When I first received my gvg in the mail I decided to go for 5mg to make sure my vape technique was good. I found that dose size to be fairly uncomfortable. It had an almost gross feeling to it.

The experience was extremely light and produced no visuals, except very slight distortions. I then increased the dose to 10mg and this experience was just past the uncomfortableness enough and gave me wavy visual distortion and tryptamine like thought patterns. CEVs were pretty much non existent but I could sense them.

I don't really see how it would be a waste to experiment with seeing how low you can go. I actually really enjoy the way a low dose like a 10mg effects my thoughts. You can just sit there and play with your mind. Allows you to have a pretty interesting outlook on things.

I've dosed 10mg more than once, 12, 13, and 14's on more than a few occasions.