I think your body would see it as a poison. I have been dosed with LSA in a cup of tea before by a friend. I felt wrong and thought I had a strange trippy cold coming on. If your body starts to feel different to how it should after eating something it wants to remove that substance from your system. I'd imagine a big hit of acid would feel like a poison if you had never tried it and were unaware of what you had ingested.

That being said I cannot see why someone would want to spike a random steak. Story does sound a bit fishy to me not in a CT the man kind of way but in a did you leave your acid somewhere silly then eat it kind of way. There's a chance it could be some kind of ergot related compound from a fungal infection on the meat. A grain of ergot should test positive as a tab of LSD with a simple regent test. Was it definitely the steak to blame? Green potatoes contain tropaine alkaloids and what about the special sauce? I bet there was more than just a steak on the plate for tea.

It depends how you define toxic. My friend has started a business selling herbs and plants. I had a glance at one of her plant guide books and all of the psychoactive plants were listed as toxic.



I cannot understand how people do a lot of things. But they still do them. It is a bizarre story.

I think you are probably on to something. Someone in the family may have accidentally or purposely dosed the family. Possibly looking for compensation from wahl-mahrt?
Houses that sit empty before being rented or sold are attractive to criminals and "pranksters" or many reasons. Pure conjecture, but could some evil a-hole have gone through the house before it was re-inhabited and painted a substance on lights switches and door knobs? I imagine so. In the story, it states that a couple of the family members started feeling ill later in the evening. If they were dosed by the steak or any part of the dinner, wouldn't they have all started tripping at around the same time? Personally, I have a feeling we are going to find out that there's someone in the family who is a psychedelic hobbyist who caused this to happen through carelessness or malicious intent.

Another thing: how did the lab test for LSD? Did they do a reagent test and just assume that the reaction meant LSD was present? Isn't indole found in meat? Especially in rancid meat? Maybe the meat was bad, and the illness (which doesn't sound like LSD to me either) came from another source.

And on the CT front: I don't think that it's a conspiracy theory to say that the media is purposely hyping and demonizing psychedelics. The old boogeyman of cannabis is starting to look like a friend. The powers that be do seem to feel the need to instantly re-focus their attention on another enemy as soon as an old one is out of the picture. They should be focusing on heroin and meth, but those substances aren't as spectacular as LSD. I've been noticing an uptick in the demonization of psychedelics in the news, and I think it is probably in response to positive stories about psychedelics in the news, wether consciously or unconsciously.

I agree about demonizing and hyping and it could be in relation to the positive feedback with psychedelics. But i do not think that it is the powers that be making an enemy of a certain drug but more about how saleable a particular story is. Unfortunately bad news seems to sell more papers and the like than good news.
Heroin and meth are old hat now. We"ve heard all those horror stories many times before.
Who is more to blame? The media, for peddling scare stories? Or the public for buying into them?

Yes.

1) A story appears about new LSD research.

2) LSD is in the popular imagination as a result.

3) An event happens that involves LSD.

4) Said event is selected from many to appear in the papers because it is assessed to be a story that will appeal to the popular imagination, which has recently been attuned to stories of LSD

5) the news outlet sells more papers/gets more hits on their website, especially if the story is "bad" or sensational.

Then what happens? People connect the dots according to how they believe the dots should be connected and concoct conspiracy theories.

The story sounds dubious to me because it sounds like critical details are missing and not necessarily because it sounds fabricated.

A terrible event nevertheless.

Cheers,

JBArk

I found it strange to hear this (sad and terrible) story in the same week Dutch news reported a student jumped or fell to his death under the influence mushrooms and LSD -reportedly. Not to say it isn't or can't be true, just that the timing is very typical.

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I hear ya, but I was referring to objective effects (causing physical harm) on the body.







There's a big difference between a steak laced with LSD and a steak laced with ricin.

Just sayin...

It could be argued that the consumption of LSD by a small child could have seriously debilitating effects on them.



My point was that the media can be technically accurate in their description of events while at the same time distorting what actually happened, in the name of a good story.

If i go down to the pub a couple of times a week which headline sound better?
"man drinks beer every week" or "man purposefully poisons himself every week"


I apologise if i am getting into the semantics of poison/toxicity .

It's totally possible that someone (esp. a small child) who was dropped unwittingly into a high-dose LSD trip might suffer psychological trauma, which, if it were bad enough, might definitely qualify as debilitating (think PTSD).

I would say that whether something is toxic or not is a matter of dosage.

Consuming 100 µg of LSD = not physically harmfull, consuming 1 gram of LSD = very likely physically harmful (oral administration).
Consuming 100 µg of ricin = not physically harmfull, consuming 100 mg of ricin = very harmfull (oral administration).

Ah, semantics, gotta love 'em.

69Ron says the ergoline alkaloids found in morning glory seeds can be boiled for 5 minutes without significant decomposition.

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AFOAF has not noticed much from light degradation, but even in a light proof air tight container LSA only lasts a few years and starts going bad.

So don’t extract a giant amount and expect it to keep for many years.

One thing that AFOAF has noticed which damages LSA easily is boiling it in water. It’s ok for the first 5 minutes or so, but if you keep boiling it all gets destroyed.

27-01-2011
69Ron
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=945930&postcount=8
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Other indications that ergoline alkaloids aren't as sensitive to heat as people think:

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Chop it up as fine as possible: a blender comes in handy. You may wish to chop then dry. A word of caution : try to avoid exposing your stuff to excessive heat. I dry in low heat oven. Heat and air destroy good compounds from upwards of 100 degs C. All this bit will depend on exactly what you are extracting.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_extraction1.shtml
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It seems like the ergoline alkoloids present in morning glories, Rivea Corymbosa, and Argyreia Nervosa seem to be resistant to heat.

Visual Distortion
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6441
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Stanley Krippner in The Ecstatic Adventure (Metzner, R (editor), 1968 ) reports "crushing and boiling" morning glory seeds. He indicated that he achieved psychedelic effects:

I opened my eyes and noticed that the carpet in my apartment was a luxurious shade of green interwoven with threads of vivid blue. It was almost like a small lake with ripples catching the gleams of the sun.

The Ecstatic Adventure, chapter 3: Of Hell and Heavenly Blue
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http://m.nydailynews.com...d-meat-article-1.1714761

i saw this a while back. Am i the only one this seems a bit off to?

Lsd degrades in high heat. Unless the meat was soaked in thousands of dollars of lsd, or this entire family ate a raw steak, it seems highly unlikely that they ingested lsd. Unless it was put on the meat after it was cooked.

This was covered pretty extensively back when the story was breaking

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=53695

The consensus was that there probably wasn't LSD-25 in the meat.

Does anyone know what's become of that case?