So maybe the title for this post is a little sensational, however after reading Antrocles's interview in the Nexian one part that really captured my concern was the description of his shaman's response to smoked DMT. For those of you who haven't read the interview the shaman basically felt that ayahuasca is grounded because of the massive amounts of ritual, specifically chanting, that are put into every stage of the gathering, production and consumption of the brew.

He told Antrocles that smoked DMT would need all of that ritual x10 and that he saw "barbs" in him that were the equivalent of "spiritual venereal disease" that he had accumulated from his use of smoked DMT. Now I'm not trying to step on any toes here but that statement has gotten me really wondering how much we're potentially exposing ourselves to malevolent behavior patterns that want to language themselves on this plane of existence when we smoke our favorite tryptamine without proper navigation through the ideasphere.

It especially stuck a chord with me because ever since the first time I really smoked DMT I've consistently found it to be too much for my liking. There's certainly been several handfuls of times that I've smoked it over the past few years but only on sub-breakthough doses and if I'm being honest in my years of using DMT I've never really BROKEN THOUGH for more than a few seconds. Now I'm not trying to be arrogant but I'm one seasoned fuckin' psychonaut who gobbles quarters of shroomies without hesitation. To me the anxiety of having DMT assault and dominate my 5HT2A receptors within 30 seconds has always been wayy too heavy and in the past I've been able to convince myself that that was just because of the dose and that if I took a big enough rip of de changa I'd be better able to release myself into the flow.

Again I'm not in any way trying to suggest that DMT can't be used in a productive context but after reading that article I'm left wondering what the hell that context is exactly. For instance I know that it's generally kind of understood that the lower doses of Ayahuasca that a lot of us drink in the comfort of our own homes doesn't necessitate the presence of a shaman because it doesn't leave us as open to attack as a higher dose would. Indeed with adequate preparation, respect, charging of the brew, and proper sensory input during the experience (the harmony of songs, art, and incense reprograms us I feel while in these uber sensitive states) I can palpably feel my spirit getting stronger with each confrontation of all the malevolent shit that gets kicked up in an ayahuasca session.

I feel comfortable wading around in the psychedelic kiddie pool solo but if the majority of us can only handle that up to a certain point by ourselves how the hell can we be expected to ground the a breakthrough smoking experience without assistance? I ask because up until now it's seemed that I can handle heavy ayahuasca trips better than changa just because it comes on over the course of an hour and I'm kind of anxious person so it's no big deal; that was just my preferred method of consumption. However now I'm left wondering what types of spaces I may or may not have been casually sending my friends into because it may or may not have been wayy easier and more convenient to introduce people to spice through the brevity of the smoked experience.

I've gotten the sense that mayhaps it's unethical to send people into territory you haven't fully scouted y'self, but like I said up until now my excuse was just that I'm an anxious person and that that's what's clouded my low dose experiences. I figured I'd gather the balls to breakthrough someday but now I'm wondering if most of us have the capacity to deal with the hyper advanced wit and cunning of the more powerful negative beings that one will inevitably come with the landscape of a smoked DMT experience by ourselves? The other part of me wonders if Antrocles gave that dude straight freebase and if he woulda been less inclined to make that statement if he had tried changa....

I think arguments against include "new age _____" <-- You fill in the blank.

New age anything is hard to be too serious about, but on the other hand, what you believe in tends to become your reality. So anything is possible.

It's always wise to tread carefully into unknown territory...

Truth here, fire is also one of the most catalytic tools gifted to man.

Read here and fear not:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...osts&t=27420&p=7

The poster Hyperspace Fool has a grip of good techniques for positive flight.
And it is all summed up at the end by he and endlessness.

Low sub breakthrough doses are NOT the way to go and are NOT congruent to a deep eyes closed journey. IMHO.

there is more time and energy and alchemical ceremony put into extracting DMT then many people put into brewing ayahuasca IMO.

Find your own truth, I guess. Never follow anothers.

If it works for you, do it.

Keep in mind, people have been smoking tryptmines in the amazon longer than they have been brewing ayahuasca.

i think its all BS and you are/will be fine...

..but maybe that is just the syphilitic insanity settling in from my spiritual venereal diseases.


i have yet to see any strong evidence (or even weak evidence - obviously not counting the bible) of possession being a real thing...

Please elaborate

I know a person who had only consumed ayahausca (not even LSD, cacti, or mushrooms), mostly with shaman in ceremonial settings but sometimes just with churches. I have known other people who had done aya and smoked but never with a shaman. I have known a third group who has only smoked pure DMT who they purchased from someone.

What I can tell you is the main differences between these groups. They are all wonderful people to know. However, the one person I know who only uses aya in ceremonial setting is much more spiritual than the other ones. I would say he knows himself well and is spiritually in tune. The second group is spiritual but not in the same way. The person who actually showed me this site many years ago was more after getting high until he realized the power of these substances. He slowed his use drastically after a period of self-discovery and spirituality drove him to follow his passions. I think DMT put the third group of people in their place and it doesn't seem that they are journeying into hyperspace much these days.

My personal experience is in alignment with yours but I have also come a long way in my emotional, mental, and spiritual health since I started my journey with entheogens. I have not smoked DMT in over a year now as I do not feel spiritually comfortable extracting the substance as of right now. I agree that it is a little too much-too fast for me most of the time. I need to go into my experience well prepared with a clearly defined set of intentions to ensure a positive experience. I much prefer cacti and their derivatives to DMT and LSD. To me I get more out of the long, winding journey that is a cactus experience than the short, blast off of a DMT experience. As well, I don't need to have well defined ideas beforehand, I can just go wander off into the woods and come out a different person.

To me, experience is the greatest teacher. You can listen to a (very intelligent) group of people on the internet, the media, some article you read, a (potential crackpot) shaman, or what the non-local domain is projecting to you through your experience and observation. I am by no means a fully enlightened person, but I can say that the few breakthroughs I've had were mostly helpful to my spiritual development. I don't need anyone else to validate that for me.

I recently participated in a sweat lodge ritual with a couple of First Nation's people in Ottawa and the experience is a lot like tripping. The ritual and chanting was to me a way to transcend your body from the overwhelming heat that was so unbearable that you couldn't breathe, you'd just get pure steam.

So what I'm getting at is that the ritual chanting and what not I believe a way to guide the mind from trying to fight the experience, which would cause anxiety and a bad trip. There is not a wrong way or a right way to achieving the spiritual experience or whatever you're trying to achieve. There are many methods, you just pick the one that works for you the best.