This morning I drank 40mg of 25x syrian rue extract in a tea, waited half an hour and took 5 massive hits of some pretty weak changa that I made. The changa was 500mg of passionflower leaf and 500mg of pure white fluffy spice I used the clean tek to make the changa I just melted it into the leaves and stirred. I also added 5-6 drops of cotton candy hard candy flavoring oil which lends an amazing smell and flavor to the smoke. I had a nice relaxing sub breakthrouh trip.

About 45 minutes later I carefully weighed and re-weighed 30mg of pure white fluffy crystals. I loaded them into my ceramic flavor disc and inserted it into my GVG. I took about 10 more minutes of deep relaxing breathing while listening to Tibetan healing bowls on a low volume. I picked up the GVG and lit my torch and began heating the filter.

I started inhaling and immediately the GVG filled with white vapor that had no flavor and no feeling in my lungs. I inhaled until there was no more vapor in the GVG and I set the GVG and torch on the table next to me. I started counting and by the time I got to 5 I was already feeling the effects. At 36 seconds of holding my breathe I was already immersed in beautiful CEV's. I blow it out and at the same time, for reasons I don't know, I opened my eyes. I was immediately struck with the absolute most terrifying feeling I have ever felt I bolted upright and ran outside wondering what was going on.

My dog came bounding towards me excited to see me and was jumping up in my face. Upon seeing my best friend I immediately felt better and picked him up and carried him back into my "zen zone" I created in my garage. The entire time I'm walking back inside I keep asking myself "Why the hell did you do that?" "That was soo f***ing stupid".

It completely ruined my trip and I don't know what happened or why I freaked out and ran outside. For the next 2.5 hours no matter how much I vaped I could not get back to hyperspace.

I think perhaps my scale was off and maybe I took too much?

Anyway, I'm not scared of my spice, and everything was perfect, I was comfortable, relaxed, and I had good intentions going into the experience.

Has this happened to anybody else? Did I do something wrong?

Let's see, there are a couple things to take into account. First of all, I'm not sure how you were going about smoking freebase spice in the past, but with the GVG, you can almost surely reduce that dosage. 30mg DMT is around the upper end of the GVG spectrum for most people. 30mg is a big dose as it is, and it sounds like you cleared it pretty well in one hit, holding it in sufficiently. You used a ceramic disc, and so it sounds like your GVG is well set-up. It is a potent tool. Now let's also consider that you had drunk the 25x syrian rue extract, and so now your dosage is even higher, not to mention some residual harmala action that may have been in your system from the changa. This is all one big recipe for a humongous trip.

That was my intent, to finally have a breakthrough. I figured take the rue, smoke a huge, but not too huge, dose and finally experience the majesty of a breakthrough experience. I'm dumbfounded at what happened. Maybe I'll try a smaller dose with no rue and see if that works.

It seems to me if you would have sit still with your eyes closed you probably would have broken through. My advice would be to remove the harmalas from the equation first, keeping your dose consistent so you can note the difference. I probably would never go too much higher than 30mg. There's so much to be seen at 30 and under anyway.

I cannot stress enough as to how important it is to start low and work your way up. That method is not for everyone but it allows you to learn, comfortably, what each size dose does to you... approximately. There is the variable where sometimes certain doses do different things, but IME a 15mg dose usually does what a 15mg dose does, 20mg, 25mg ect.

For me it allowed me to learn how to breakthrough, rather than force one. Which is not for everyone. Also most people will suggest trying different drugs by themselves so you get to know how they react to you. That goes for maoi as well.

Myself, I experimented with many different sized doses multiple times so I could get an idea of what did what. For me, 15mg can produce very slight OEV's, low grade but sometimes decent CEV's, and sometimes breakthrough.

20mg often becomes breakthrough, as opposed to previously that size would just produce pre-breakthrough with pleasant CEV's and slightly stronger OEV's.

25mg was often the next level. Have not dosed many of these since my first breakthrough, but when I do it is a farely strong breakthrough.

I'm curious as to what caused you to open your eyes? Just wondering as both of my GVG trips (I only got it a week or so ago) were done with open eyes.

I don't know what caused my eyes to open, all I knew was once they were open it was absolute terror for about 2-3 minutes. It was almost like my eyes opened all by themselves cuz I definitely didn't want them opened I prefer CEV's during a good trip and usually only open my eyes after I start to lose CEV's.

In my experience, the spice tells you when to open/close your eyes, sometimes I just "feel" like closing my eyes when the effects are starting, and other times I have the urge to keep them open.

What is this "ceramic disc" you speak of? I always heard I should use chore boy copper. (Pictures would be ideal.)

Hmm, that's an interesting way of putting it. So far, I've only tried open eyes with the GVG, although I have done closed eyes with an MJ sandwich (although it was nowhere near as potent as the GVG experiences). The next trip I'm planning will be closed eyes though...then maybe I'll get all this a little better.

Check out the "bye bye chore boy" thread