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this is what was left at the end, (over half has ben scraped up), and This is what it looked like 2hrs into a fan induced evap of 1L of naptha, , Any thoughts?

Allow me: [img:054781d023]http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/5757/2008070320qd2ox9.jpg[/img:054781d023] [img:054781d023]http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3641/2008071532dh6qc7.jpg[/img:054781d023] I dunno - [i:054781d023]something's[/i:054781d023] cloudy. Looks pretty clean.

after swims first trial run he ended up with a yellow oily substance. has this ever happened to anyone? all the naptha evaped off and left this mystery substance, with a plastic chemical type smell.

This has been happeneing to me for ages! its the best resulst i can get form acacia maideni. when smoked it has no effect, but has a very distinct smell, very plasticy & chemically. i have a shitload of it, but when i try to freez precip, the crustals just redissolve when i filter. Im beginning to think that its not DMT, and i suck at this extraction thingy! dam! can anyone explain this? its a cakey substance that is really quite yellwo and oily etc... obviosley not a propper defat was done but still... why does it have no effect when smoked? SOMEONE HELP! lol.... please?

I'm not a mod, but we just got done yelling at someone on another thread about using "I" in talking about his imagined extractions. Swim thinks we all could stand to watch that a little better. Seven - what plant was your friend working with and what tek was he using? You probably said but Swim is fuckin lazy. My friend has gotten the goo with MHRB for two reasons. One was from using QT 's:evil: tek and fucking up the alks with too much acid in the initial extraction. The other was from leaving his bark in the super saturated lye solution from a straight to base tek for too long and pulling all kinds of crap that freeze preciped out along with the alks. In the second case the shit was able to be cleaned up with recrystalization, in the first, it was goo forever more. In both cases it was still active. He has recently started working with chaliponga and found it quite prone to goo no matter how it is handled. He's gotten table salt looking crystals to freeze precip out of heptane he's used to wash the goo, but he's a long way from good yields of crystal. His next experiment will be a straight to base extracted with heptane and then pulling the alks back into an acidic solution ala' Coschi's acacia method, rebasifying and re-extracting with more heptane. I really think Coschi has hit it on the head with this method for plants that are so much less forgiving than MHRB.

hey noman, my friend used mhrb with your tek. only 30grams were used as a trial run. he followed the tek but after the first pulls, nothing freeze preciped out, it had some cloudiness but no crystals formed. this may of been because he didnt evap down the naptha before doing the freeze. not really sure as this was his first extraction attempt. some naptha was left in the lye/mhrb solution for a few days, this was pulled and evaped down with no freezing. this is what left the oily substance. so he doesn't know if he should just toss it and try again, or try to do something else to see if its of any use. also he didnt do any ammonia wash, so trying to smoke the oil would be hazardous right? thanks for your help.

The oil is that gunk I talked about getting pulled when one leaves bark in all that lye for a long time. It's probably fine (though bad tasting) to smoke. You can't ammonia washunless you have powder of some sort anyway. One could recrystalize, but there couldn't be much, I'd just work it into the next batch.

ok swims friend is going to attempt his second extraction. his first one failed as you could see in previous posts, probably for various reasons. but hes going to give nomans tek a second go with obviously more mhrb this time. any tips, tricks, or things to lookout for this time would be helpful. he has a lb to work with, but was thinking of using around 100+ g for the second try just in case of any f' ups. he noticed in other teks the naptha was heated prior to doing the pulls, would this be helpful? he thanks you all in advance. wish him luck this time, and thanks Noman for a great simplified tek.

This is my friend's dog's first extraction and it was wondering if this picture looks ok. there are some crystals that are bigger and some that are like dried powder. but there is a clear oil like bubbles that are taking awhile to evap. wondering if it got some things it doesn't need in there. thanks for the help [/img]

Hello all, ive been reading the forums for a while, learning what i can, and am now at a point where direction is needed.. Vroom, Noman, Habib, and anyone who knows.. about a month ago there was discussion on Phalaris extraction, i was wondering if anyone heard any results. SWIM is in a position where phalaris is more than plentiful, and more info is needed before one continues. What is the best tek for use with phalaris, and what variations could be used to achieve best results? Thanks for your time

I'd start with an A/B. Three overnight cooks in 1/3 vinegar water in a crockpot on low. Three defats with toluene or xylene. Basify to slippery black (or orange if I remember correctly - the change is unmistakeable though, clear and almost flourescent, slippery like soap, smells like fish) and add 25% again as much lye. Three pulls with naptha. Evaporate. See what you get and work from there.

In terms of an acid / base extraction, can the ph be too low, and if it is, what problems would this cause? I'm worried because the ph paper my friend's goldfish has, whilst it goes down to 2, is quite difficult to distinguish the colours at the low end of the scale. If a mistake is made and the ph is too low will it destroy the DMT or cause any other kind of harm, or should one just be fairly liberal when making sure of adding enough HCl?

Noman, just wanted to say thanks for the help and the tek, swim wanted to say his second batch was a success!! check the experience thread for more details.

swim is a semi experienced extractor attempting her 4th extraction, all previous extractions have been successes. swim is attempting her first straight to base following Nomans tech. First Question: Swim finds that the Naptha separates out of the RB mixture within 3 minutes of tilting it. Is this normal? She thought that it would take more like an hour for the Naptha to completely separate. Another question: Is there any reason to use glass containers rather than plastic ones, plastic containers are easier to find and cheaper. Any thoughts or comments on this will be appreciated. Question 3: would more experienced extractors recomend evaporating the pulled naptha down to 50% before freeze precipitating it? Keeping in mind that Swim will complete 6 pulls at 400ml of naptha on a pound of mimosa RB depending on responses to the next question. One last question: At what point does pulling become excessive? Swim is attempting 6 pulls at 400 ml of naptha on this pound of powdered RB just for the hell of it even tho the tek only calls for 3. Swim intends to heat the 5th and 6th pull in a warm water bath to 100 degrees f. aprox.

swim will try to help you out. he only has 2 stb extractions under his belt, but he feels after some success he could answer or try to answer your questions. yes the naptha separates fairly quickly out of the solution i assume because the solution is still very hot from being basified. not too sure about why not to use plastic other than the solution gets very hot, but they sell a gallon of pickles for a few dollars and will easily do a 200g batch. evapping down your naptha could only help, the more concentrated the dmt/naptha solution, the faster the crystals will form. as far as pulls go swim cant really help you. swim does 3, noting a decline in alks in the third, it cant hurt though. good luck.

^^ Thank-you. Swim appreciates the response.

how many times can one use naptha before it looses its ability to pull?

One has never tested but I imagine it would depend a lot on the extraction one was doing. An A/B will leave the naptha quite a bit cleaner than a STB and if you heat either, you'll drive a lot more crap into it.

i think ive finally got dmt. the glass i was using to transfer shellite in had a thin layer on shellite on the sides when i had finished using it, which evapped, to leave lovely white patterns all over the sides anyway, the majority of the shellite is evapping in a baking pan, with a fan, im just about to freeze precip it. i could probly evap it and get pure white spice anyway, which is better? i think evapping will take too long anyway, theres a little bit of water from my bad separation of shellite from water, so theres still a lil water in the baking pan. what should i do? just freeze it with the water, or should i try get it out, if so how?