I found this so enlightening, this is such a good watch, thought I would share.

http://www.youtube.com/w...bedded&v=0V62QdnK1EI

thank you sir. Added to my watchlist. Just caught Dr. Greer of the Disclosure Project / Sirius Documentary on Joe's podcast Sunday night. Fascinating stuff.

Ah I love Joe. Avid follower, especially when he interviews people like Graham Hancock and Dennis McKenna. He's a good dude, changing things up for many people.

They are both really interesting podcasts, you should try the Alex grey one also

Man I don't get Joe hate he gets here to be honest. Yeah he's not the most ingelligent man around(he can't do very masic math) but he certainly is wise and well spoken. I really like him.

Good one.

i think i've only seen the mckenna, hancock, and alex grey podcasts so far. all great though

during the grey podcast, as he was mentioning all the synchronicities that tied into 9/11, i was googling the images he mentioned and it was nothing short of baffling...just one example was an album that was supposed to be released by some group that day ( or the day after?) which had an image of the twin towers in flames on its cover 0_o

I can understand it, his whole DMT-misinformation-evangelist role probably doesn't go over well with some people here. He admits to only doing DMT a few times, yet gets a tattoo of it's molecular structure and goes full-on expert mode when someone brings it up. It just kind of smells like that superficial smo(u)g that lingers over LA. Regardless, I still like him, he's an awesome MMA commentator, and I can enjoy his Tony Robbins-esque rants from time to time.

Thought provoking. I like Joe but yeh most of his stuff is more thought provoking/reassuring than informational.
You know he likes to talk.

I like Joe and I think his podcast is great and he has had some really interesting guests, but I really like the Joey Diaz ones, that guy cracks me up.

Nice to see ya fairbanks

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Is this a reflection of DMT becoming more mainstream and well known?
Certain celebrities and authors have put a lot of energy and time into advertising it, so to speak. I notice offline a rather large number of people, everyday people, know of it from these celebrities. It used to be obscure but is increasingly less so.

Some studies suggest that average mental age for our population in the usa at least is around the 8th grade level. In the past DMT was known mainly by those who had sought for knowledge of psychedelics, and those people tended to be more mature and intelligent than average, likewise the same could be said for online communities.

However today a very large amount of the population participates online and many are aware of DMT, perhaps the influx of members represents more of society in general and less of the subgroups that it used to? If so, then the average applicant for registration would be about 8th grade level regardless of age.

Also, without intending insult, Rogan has a lot of immature and not particularly intelligent fans and due to his relationship with drugs and sportfighting, and his promotiom of DMT to the general public, perhaps he has a bigger role in this influx than anyone would casually assume?

I have no idea, and no opinion on if this is good or bad, or even if i can meet an ideal that allows me to continue to enjoy participating, but whatever the case i hope it is all for the best.

Wow, generalize much? Have you taken a survey of some kind that allows you special insight into the intelligence level of Joe Rogan's fans?

And his "relationship with drugs"? You do know that the only "drugs" he promotes is marijuana and psychedelics, yes?

Yes, Joe Rogan probably had a bigger influence on the influx of DMT users than any other single individual, but how is this a bad thing? Yes, many fools will approach the alter of the molecule in an irresponsible manner, but, as we all know, DMT has a way of regulating itself.

He has also been the biggest promoter of sensory deprivation tanks, so I think you do Mr. Rogan and his fans a disservice with your judgmental condemnation and assumption that many of his fans are unintelligent (and, in this context, "many" is a very subjective term, since he has millions upon millions of fans, there are bound to be plenty of unstable types, but this can be said about anyone as well known as Joe).

"Some studies suggest that average mental age for our population in the usa at least is around the 8th grade level."

Are you referring to actual studies or the old Bill Hicks comedy bit that said the exact same thing? Though, in the interest of accuracy, Bill said the "emotional age" and not the mental, but it means the same thing.

You are free to take offense.

I did not say that his promotion of DMT was bad or good, only that has advertised it.

If you believe that a majority of his fans are highly intelligent that is fine with me. May I please have a different opinion?

I am not being judgemental or making a condemnation, those are your words. I have a lot of friends who are below average intelligence, and many of them incidentally are Rogam fans, i do not feel there is anything wrong with that, do you?

As for the 8th grade intelligence thing, not only is it supported by multiple studies, but it is also at to core of media theory, notably AP style and has a lot to do with US media.


I do not understand why you take such offense at my opinion, but you are entitled to do so.

I'm not offended, Albert. And I do not assume his fans are either unintelligent or intelligent: it's not for me to judge millions of people without personally knowing all of them.

"I am not being judgemental or making a condemnation" :::


"Rogan has a lot of immature and not particularly intelligent fans"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is Judgement. Which is your right, but at least be honest.

Thank you Traveler for having the best intentions, doing this selfless work and continually trying to make this a better place.

Hopefully the genuine seekers who haven`t yet joined the Nexus will understand the reasons and will be patient and wait for the moment registrations are open again, and read the Nexus in the meanwhile (probably most questions people want to ask or talk about are already answered and discussed at lenght from several perspectives in different threads).

AlbertKLloyd,how are you assessing your friend`s intelligence? Is it possible they are more intelligent than you in different aspects you don`t realize? I don`t believe in intelligence, I believe we have multiple intelligences. Also, can you please cite the studies you mentioned? Intelligence tests are often flawed, be careful with such statistics. Or actually maybe better not continue this here derailing this thread further.


I have noticed a lot of people who talk bad about joe rogan have not listened much or at all to his podcasts. I find from listening to him that he seems actually a very balanced and healthy guy who is skeptic yet open minded, constantly tells people to check facts and is honest about his limitations. But indeed given a large enough group, whether it is joe rogan fans, users of psychedelic or any given group really, a certain percentage of people are bound to act in obnoxious immature ways. Most of us have, it`s a path we go through and learn.

The point of the Nexus is to offer support for those people and helping them grow, it`s a good thing they come to us, but at the same time there is a fine line between being helpful and spoonfeeding, which is counterproductive. Closing the gates can be good as a temporary measure, and as with all previous `crisis` we have gone through in the Nexus, this will serve us to come up with new creative ways of dealing with the new dynamic reality. Suggestions are welcome of course, but maybe we can discuss that in a new thread? Feel free to start one, whoever is interested.

Sir, i do not assume his fans are intelligent or not.
I said he has a lot of immature and not particularly intelligent fans. I did not say this was good or bad or judge his fans as dumb.

As you pointed out he has millions of fans. He has been on TV and Radio for some time now. If his fan population is large enough then it is going to have demographics similar to society. By definition half of society is below average intelligence, and studies show for example that in the USA that average adult reading levels are at 8th grade levels. So by definition half of the USA falls into a general category of a reading comprehension level of below 8th grade. If Rogan has millions of fans it is highly improbable that they deviate in any signifigant way from social norms in terms of average. That is to say that a lot of those fans are going to be below a erage intelligence. This is a deductive observation and is not something i view as good or bad, ergo it is not a judgement.

It is not my belief that his fans as a lot are dumb or smart, only that they are human. There is also nothing wrong with being not particularly intelligent, note that 100 million americans at least fit that description.

I do not understand why you take such offense or assume I judged Rogan fans. It is your right, but I think you misunderstand me Sir.

I have listend to Rogan's podcasts, his radio work, fight commentary etc. Hours of it, i did mention that several people i am friends with are fans. Please, if you thi k I badmouthed Rogan or his fans maybe you should carefully reread what i wrote and reconsider.

My point is that perhaps he has played a role in the introduction of DMT into mainstream society and that the influx we see reflects this media presence of DMT, as noted if the population that applies here is large enough then it is highly probable that half of that population will be below average intelligence. Anyone can google studies of US intelligence averages and reading levels simply use a search engine.

I think DMT is becoming well known by society, largely due to advertising. I make no judgement of this being good or bad. This is also happening for San Pedro cactus, which has recently appeared in a rather mainstream movie that is widely available. The consequence is that those with an interest in these things no longer represent a small subset of people who sought information on those topics, now it appears that many of them are those who the information was presented to by Hollywood, mainstre TV and radio etc. It is my opinion that this results in increased attention and interest ergo the Nexus has an influx of people who conform to social norms of maturity and intelligence. Perhaps I am mistaken? I do not understand why some people here are so sensitive to my sharing such beliefs. If the moderators wish such opinions censored, then they can censor them.

I apologize, the theme for my posts here has very little to do with Rogan and they are specific to the issue and topic of the gate closure.

Therefor my posts are so far off this topic that i have no desire to participate in this thread and am only interested in addressing the topic of the gates closed and the concept that a lot of new members are immature, this is not the thread for that discussion.

Sorry.

I like Joe. I listen to his podcasts at work all the time. He doesn't pretend to be the smartest guy. His Ohio caller on the radio thing was my first major push to do dmt, and his descriptions of isolation tanks have pushed me in that direction too. I often think about it is so funny that Joe Rogan of all people have pushed me to some of my greatest mental consciousness leaps, wtf? Haha...

His Neil Degrasse Tyson podcast is super phenomenal....