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Just wait until you realize you are no one and all, nothing and all things: the bottomless well that is neither full nor empty, but both.

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JBArk

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude


I have been reading about different religions for a class. One type of Hindu meditiation consists of repeatedly asking oneself, "Who am I?"

So I gave it a try after a changa, during a cannabis session last night.

This:




and this:



became evident. It wasn't a conceptual, conscious sort of way. It was more like it just was, and I was there experiencing it, this apparent way things are that I never was aware of.

It's cool that this thread happened right around the same time...

I did this once, using a notebook and the format of "i am not _________" and i used elimination methods to arrive at a deductive hypothesis.

The effects were very interesting. Totally worthwhile.

added to OP.

I thought I was someone, I am superposition. I know I am someone, I am observation. Now I am, I am waveform collapse.

quantum possibilities?

You know what? That just flashed me back to a salvia experience I had. Its like, think of a stage, you have the curtains and usually a backdrop. Its like the backdrop was behind me, and my eyes were the curtains, and what they observe would be the audience. The strange thing is that "I" was invisible. Like an empty stage. Its like that over there is what I see, that behind me is a backdrop, but what was "me" was nothing. The part a scalpel cant find I guess.

Which I take as, our bodies, developed perfectly for this "animal survival" but our minds are vehicles for perception. Hence all this ego death talk. Ego serves a purpose here, but 'here' is going to disappear before too long, the mind can bounce into all different "realms" and its just fine. Our present experiences, illusions etc. are only there to keep us going as that invisible perceiving "thing" prepares for lift off into whatever I suppose awaits us when we make that jump when our ashes go back to ashes, and the dust once again becomes dust.

So, I think I truly am nothing that can be measured or weighed, but at the same time capable of experiencing every/anything. What the hell does that make me?

Honestly, that first quote right there was exactly how I felt during my first 3rd plateau DXM experience. This being my first post, I'd like to say that I don't feel like I have anything to contribute to this forum, but I feel like there is a lot to learn here.

Anyways during this experience I came to the realization that I am nothing and all, yet I encompass everything in existence. There was no barrier between me and my feelings, what I was experiencing. I suppose you could call this dissociation, which is common with upper-plateau DXM trips. I found it quite pleasant although it hasn't really shaped how I think today. If it's changed anything, it's made me wonder about exactly what the self is. How should I identify who I am? What is the self? That sort of thing.

If I am constantly being shaped by my experiences in every day life, should I conclude that all of my experiences are part of my self? Or is there an essential part of me that is reacting to the experiences, and that is what I should consider myself? I'm just not sure where it begins or ends.

Am I just an observer, or am I the experience as well?
Well, I've got no clue, and I find myself scratching my head often trying to find the answer. Anyways, hi again everyone.

Edit-- Just read my post over and my grammar seems a bit quirky, sorry about that. It's really late for me and I will be hitting the sack soon.

This is a very interesting idea for an exercise, AKL. I think I'm going to set aside some time tomorrow to give this a try, I'd be interested to see the results.

This is known as the neti-neti (not this-not this) method. Anything that appears as an object of perception (incl. body, thought, belief, feeling) is discarded as 'not I', while attention is withdrawn 'upstream' towards that which perceives. At some point ... a collapsing of subject and object. When the collapsing itself is perceived objectively, withdraw upstream again.