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remediosvaro
#1 Posted : 9/7/2012 10:19:43 PM

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it is said that the saguaro is a psychoactive cacti, though it is not mescaline based. people say only a tablespoon of dark green inner bark is needed. i do not recommend harvesting these cacti though. they are endangered and very hard to grow.... but does anybody have other information on this?
 

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#2 Posted : 9/8/2012 2:13:35 AM

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remediosvaro wrote:
it is said that the saguaro is a psychoactive cacti, though it is not mescaline based. people say only a tablespoon of dark green inner bark is needed. i do not recommend harvesting these cacti though. they are endangered and very hard to grow.... but does anybody have other information on this?


What I've read is that the famous saguaro common in the deserts of Arizona contains many alkaloids, but very little of it is mescaline. So there could well be something psychoactive going on, but if it isn't founded on mescaline, it may not be worthwhile....at least not if you don't know what the other alkaloids are all about.

Far more interesting is the "Argentinian saguaro", or Trichocereus terschekii, in an entirely different genus. I guess the word saguaro is applied to it because it too is big, ribby, and thorny. Reports you can readily find on the web - indeed, even here on the Nexus - refer to historical entheogenic use and plenty of our favorite alkaloid. But, the prep work, if you're a deskinner and dethorner like many of us are, would be considerable. If you lived in the deserts of Argentina and this is all there was, however, I guess you'd find a way. Obviously, they have.

I have friends growing T. terschekii ornamentally. They are strikingly beautiful, impressive plants. Huge, heavily ribbed, and mucho thorno. A sacrament is a sacrament, but some sacraments are easier than others.
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#3 Posted : 9/8/2012 7:14:11 AM

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Man if I was in a place that had wild cactus, I would be identifying, harvesting, and extracting just for the fun of it and for science, to see if any goodies came out you never know. There are probably hundreds of discrete cacti species that are psychoactive, may not contain a ton of mescaline but still some, and may produce a great trip... Maybe Someday.

If you have some wild remediosvaro, try extracting a few feet of dried outer skin material and see what you get. If nothing else it would be good for data.
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#4 Posted : 9/8/2012 11:15:40 AM

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You dont need to extract, you need a tiny sample, a TLC plate and some ethanol/IPA and ammonia and some marquis reagent. Contact me for more info Pleased
 
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#5 Posted : 9/8/2012 12:07:09 PM

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i wish i had access to saguaro, their beautiful, but last year i moved to the uk so its near impossible to find on here. and speaking of the Argentina saguaro, remedios has a baby one, as well as a baby werdamanius. so i will be working with those when they mature.

 
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#6 Posted : 9/8/2012 3:37:23 PM

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Trout's Notes C-9 (199Cool has this information:


Carnegia gigantea



3,4-DMPEA -trace, Bruhn & Lundstrom 1976, Bruhn et al 1970

3-Meo-Tyramine -trace, Bruhn et al 1970

Dopamine (0.26%)- Bruhn & Lundstrom 1976, Kapadia and Fayez citing Steelink et al 1967

Also contains several tetrahydroisoquinolines....

Shulgin & Perry 2002 (The Simple Plant Isoquinolines) has this information:

Carnegia gigantea


Arizonine
Backebergine
Carnegine
1,2-dehydrohelamine
1,2-dehydrosalsolidine
Gigantine
Heliamine
N-Norcarnegine
Salsolidine


 
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#7 Posted : 9/9/2012 1:36:14 AM

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For those who are more visual...
(unfortunately I dont think I have the quantitative data to match those)
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#8 Posted : 1/24/2014 7:51:33 AM

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so what is the conclusion on this subject does anyone know if the saguaro is safe to ingest? I see all these chemicals in it but does that mean it is safe?
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