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Trthskr
#1 Posted : 1/23/2014 3:40:22 PM

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Hey guys, I'm brand new to this forum and I'll be sure to be feeling out what is an acceptable way to discuss individual topics, but I would like to know if I can substitute phalaris aquatica in place of acacia and still use the same tek? Using the phalaris frozen and broken down and starting the tek from that point, would I bring this to the same ph or would it be different? Thanks for your time! I understand this question has probably been answered before but I can't seem to find a definitive answer!
 

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#2 Posted : 1/23/2014 7:53:31 PM

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I'm fairly certain that the standard A/B teks will not work with phalaris. Phalaris contains a whole lot of other stuff that the DMT must be isolated from. Very little is known about extracting from phalaris, so there wouldn't be much of a guideline to follow if something went wrong. This thread has some good information in it.

From my understanding, the alkaloid profiles of phalaris can vary tremendously depending on climate, season of harvest, even the time of day that it is harvested, among many other factors. ACRB is probably more consistent and more is known about it, so it would be the safer bet. Especially if this would be your first extraction.

EDIT: Just from my experience, I have spent quite a lot of time on this forum and I have yet to see a report of someone yielding clean/reasonably pure spice from phalaris. Pretty much all of the attempted extractions on it I have seen people post about have failed.
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#3 Posted : 1/23/2014 10:55:49 PM

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We don't really have a lot of data on P. aquatica at this point, but the literature would seem to suggest it is a bit more stable in alkaloid profile than P. arundinacea (though assuredly it will likely vary quite a bit between locations/climates and other conditions).

The literature reports common aquatica being approximately .1-.2% alkaloids with DMT as the main alkaloid, but with 5-MEO-DMT present in fairly significant quantities, and traces of bufotenine; there is not much information on the presence of other alkaloids such as gramine and hordenine, or whatever else may be present. So one would be advised to proceed with caution in bioassay.

As a source of DMT wild aquatica grasss is not really ideal, wild grasses have their own blend of alkaloids and "spirit" if you will, they are their own teachers with their own lessons. If you are interested in furthering our understanding of these these medicines and willing to step into fairly untread territory effectively guinea pigging yourself in the name of science, we need all the volunteers we can get in that area and your efforts would be greatly appreciated by the entheogen using community at large; if however you are simply looking for a good source of DMT, go the acacia route or look into the known strains of phalaris and pass on the wild grass.
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#4 Posted : 1/23/2014 11:58:57 PM

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There has been lots of information posted on this forum about philaris. The two main players in large dmt production are 'Philaris aquatica AQ-1' and 'phalaris brachystachys' , but still the dmt and 5-meo yield will vary depending on a lot of factors. it will take a lot of work, but IMO its well worth it, since you can have a plant with 1% dmt in just 6 months.

check out this thread https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=16810 , it has lots of great information , i wouldn't consider Philaris if your not interested in preforming thin layer chromotgraphy.
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Trthskr
#5 Posted : 1/24/2014 1:32:50 AM

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Ok guys, thanks for the information, I think I'll steer clear of phalaris at this stage until I can find some more reliable and tested tek and and just be patient for some mimosa or acacia!...think ill go camping!
 
 
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