Yeah 112233, maybe it is South American... i just figured it was some sort of Spanish or something lol. Last night, it sounded like a mix between Spanish, French and maybe Chinese or something, it was weird lol. And it seems to only happen to me on higher doses of DMT.

DoingKermit, no problem man, Lemon Balm is hella awesome, can't wait to grow myself some come spring time. I already have 3 Mimosa Hostilis growing (and i'll be growing much more in the time to come), and i also have two Mimosa Ophthalmocentra growing. I hope to start growing all the necessary plants and such, in the coming years, so that way like 10 years from now i'll hopefully have all the Mimosa, Lemon Balm, Passion Flower, B. Caapi, Syrian Rue (hopefully) and even Acacia, that i'll need

Something interesting is that I've had a similar experience from Amanitas alone, but it was that my thoughts were clearly in an unknown language. The actual words in my train of thought were complete gibberish, but I was able to understand it.

This sort of thing seems like it could easily be caused by DMT alone and is in no way limited to DMT or Amanitas, but maybe the GABAergic effects of the lemon balm really are having Amanita-like effects.

I think that once I can go collect some lemon balm, I'll have to try very large doses to see how they compare to Amanitas.

Has anyone here tried very large doses of lemon balm? Was it hallucinogenic in any way?

IME, i've taken up to 15 grams of Lemon Balm with my Ayahuasca, at 15 grams the Lemon Balm i felt was too strong (relaxative wise) and i had a headache (though i'm not sure if it came from the Lemon Balm or the Harmalas), and after awhile of trying out different dosages i've settled on 2 to 4 grams of Lemon Balm with my Ayahuasca.

Now, as for the effects of large doses of Lemon Balm by itself, i wouldn't know, but who knows, at larger doses there very well could be something there.

Be sure to let us know how your experimentation with Lemon Balm goes.

Alright, so here's another update. First off, on the subject of Passion Flower... Smoked Passion Flower on Ayahuasca is REALLY nice, especially when mixed with Cannabis. It literally brought my Ayahuasca experience back when i thought it was just about over. Granted, it didn't bring it back as fully, but it did increase things a good bit and i REALLY love smoked Passion Flower now... which brings to mind a thought i had earlier. The idea i had is to take a capsule of Harmalas and drink Lemon Balm tea made from 2 to 3 grams, maybe 4. Then, as the Harmalas and Lemon Balm take effect, start smoking Passion Flower. The idea i have worked up in my head goes as follows. If the Harmalas do indeed potentiate different herbs (which is said that they do), then it would no doubt, without the need for Acacia, should synergize with the smoked Passion Flower, in a way that works in a feedback loop. The Harmalas potentiate the smoked Passion Flower, the smoked Passion Flower potentiates the Harmalas, and so it goes back and forth in a feedback loop.

So basically, the Harmalas and smoked Passion Flower both potentiate each other, which causes Passion Flower's mild mentally calming effect to turn into a rather enhanced and strengthened mentally calming effect, that could be similar to regular/mid grade Cannabis, perhaps even stronger. Now bare with me on this, because this shit's just hypothetical as of currently but nonetheless i will be testing this out sometime soon to see what the results are.

Secondly, on the subject of Lemon Balm... Lemon Balm is an AWESOME plant. With that said, quality does indeed matter, and if you have the chance to grow your own then it's probably best to do so as it's apparently very easy to grow. There's a few things i've noticed about Lemon Balm. First and foremost, Lemon Balm does NOT stop a physical purge, but it DOES stop nausea and stomach issues. Now, when i say it doesn't stop the purge, here's what i mean... If something i've eaten hours prior to Ayahuasca, seems to be heavy on my sensitive gut during Ayahuasca, it seems the Lemon Balm works with Ayahuasca in a way that is, i feel, a new and exciting way to approach Ayahuasca. The Lemon Balm completely cuts out the nausea and stomach pains, but if you need to purge, the Lemon Balm seems to work with Ayahuasca and the combo ends up telling you in a way, why you need to purge and has shown me that i do indeed have a sensitive gut. I mean, one who has a strong gut might not get any purging at all with Lemon Balm in the mix, but there also could be some sort of reaction in the way that certain foods sit in the gut, during Lemon Balm Ayahuasca, thus needing to be purged. In most cases, as long as you eat light, and don't eat heavy foods, then there should be no purging.

Now on to the second matter of the Lemon Balm, something i noticed and could be something, could be nothing, who knows. Remember when i said quality matters? I believe the pound of Lemon Balm i bought the first time (before i bought this new stuff) may have been sprayed with insecticides, it's certainly possible. But how i came about thinking that, is it's reaction with Ayahuasca on occasion. Periodically, i would get these visions of dead grasshoppers on their backs, and i would get these almost like, spasmy/seizurey like hand gestures and bodily spasms, yet the experiences at the same time were normal and pleasurable. But the thought of it possibly being sprayed with insecticides, and what those insecticides might do to the body, it made me feel almost like you would think a dying bug would feel like after coming in contact with an insecticide/pesticide. So i'm glad i ran out of that pound and had to buy this new, organic, Lemon Balm. All the more reason to grow your own, which i WILL do come this spring. Now, did i experience any insecticidal "side-effects" from just the Lemon Balm tea from the first pound? No, not at all, as far as i knew, the Lemon Balm tea was just fine. And when mixed with Ayahuasca, it felt fine, but there were a few times that the insecticide thing happened and i got concerned about it.

I can indeed say that this new pound of Lemon Balm i bought (from a different online vendor and is organic), feels a lot cleaner, clearer and better than the Lemon Balm i had beforehand. But to be fair, i did order the "non-organic" aka cheap shit Lemon Balm, the first time, so i guess it was to be expected..... And also i've noticed, this new Lemon Balm makes my mouth wet with saliva (due to the Cholinergic action of the Lemon Balm), but the old stuff had my mouth REALLY dry.

So, tonight i took about 215mgs of Harmalas and washed it down with 3 grams of Lemon Balm. An hour and a half later, i drank an Acacia, Lemon Balm and Blue Lotus Flower Stamen tea, using my usual dose of Acacia, 1 gram of Lemon Balm, and 3 grams of the Lotus. With the Lotus added, it seems different from my usualness, and although i can't really describe how it's different, it is nonetheless different but in it's own awesome way. I might try using 2 grams of Lotus next time, but the Lotus, is here to stay.... joining my Ayahuasca admixture brew of Lemon Balm, Acacia Confusa, Blue Lotus, smoked Passion Flower and Cannabis, and i wanna try adding in some Ginger in due time.

I'm telling you, smoked Passion Flower and Cannabis on Ayahuasca, is the bomb diggity-do.

And btw, this band, Kaminanda, goes hand in hand with Ayahuasca, i think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhugAjgxfL8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKAXV7Orp6Q
Kaminanda has it going on, they have the funky fucking fresh beats.

So, tonight i had my first REAL Ayahuasca experience. And before you make some pre-consumptions, allow me to interrupt and explain, and define, REAL.... what it means to me anyways, when it comes to an Ayahuasca experience.

Earlier on today, i watched Aya: Awakenings by Rak Razam (thank you Rak), and for some odd fuckin' reason, all the prior experiences i've had with this stuff seems like childsplay compared to what i've experienced tonight. Not that i can remember a whole lot, but i did write some stuff down. All of what follows, within the quotation marks, is what i've written (or shall we say typed) down.

"The language that i seem to be speaking, is VERY fluent, VERY real, yet i have no idea how i'm speaking such language. Glossolalia, is to play.
But man, tonight, seems like my first TRUE experience, one on one, with mother Ayahuasca.
So, i think i may have a connection in the Amazon, through telepathic ability??????? At least, i'm getting that picture from Ayahuasca... it seems.
And the visuals, my god man. So many, so little focus, was only shown to be shown and nothing else mattered. But i did see FINALLY, the doctors, working on me, on my mind, on my body, on my connection to spirit. The doctors, i really saw them, i was there, they were operating on me, it seems. And then i moved on, by guidance, even though there was curiosity as to the doctors and what all they were doing to me which seem fun and interesting to me.
Ayahuasca, ain't nothing else like it, it's one of a kind, it's the most real thing you can endure, REAL, completely and truly real.
I am being taught things, i am being taught many things. Learning it, is so fun. It's the ultimate mind-fuck, total geek out, truly real.
Oh, and i'm getting the impression that my telepathic connection in the amazon, is a younger man, maybe my age, maybe a little younger??? Either way though, he seems so wise and skilled in what he knows."

"So, i feel compassion. I feel gratitude, i feel honor, i feel trust.... i AM therefor all of what i've just said previously. I am compassionate, i am grateful, i am honorable, and i am trust worthy. In fact, i seem too trustworthy, too compassionate, too grateful... too, honorable, for the experience that is, Ayahuasca, and i think that's a good thing."

"I do think, that Ayahuasca has chosen me... For what? Idk. But i have my work cut out for me, and i'm in it for the long haul, i do believe. Then again, i do have to reshape myself in the non-Ayahuasca realm aka physical reality. I have to become, a better person, better than who i am today (not that who i am today, is bad, just, i'm always looking to update/upgrade myself). And that is to say, that i think the reason i am alive today, is because my path down the Ayahuasca route, will lead me to my ultimate purpose for being here, and a whole lotta extras come with it."

Now, what i didn't mention in what i managed to write down, was that i have now come to accept the purge I was a straggler, but no more, i have come to embrace the purge. Still though, embracing the purge, doesn't not mean embracing the nausea and gut wrecking, which the Lemon Balm and Cannabis thank god seem to fix. I love Lemon Balm, Lemon Balm is THE SHIT! Lemon Balm goes hand in hand with Ayahuasca, i feel. SERIOUSLY folks, you gotta try it.

Also, i wonder about "the doctors" that i saw, i'm VERY curious about that, in a really good way.

If i remember any more or remember anything i wanna note, i'll be sure to update

A few things i've noticed so far about Lemon Balm. For one, it does gently calm the experience down, in a REALLY, REALLY, REALLY good way. Shit doesn't have to be all terrifying and anxiety filled, shit can instead be graceful, gradual, but STILL fuckin' powerful. It also seems to allow Ayahuasca's teachings to become clearer and more easily fluent or fluid-like. And also the Lemon Balm seems to calm the anxiety provoking feelings from the Harmalas. I've noticed that taking the Harmalas without immediately drinking my Lemon Balm tea, that i start having anxiety about 45 minutes or so in, yet with the Lemon Balm it's smooth sailing all the way to the finish line, glory hallelujah! lol

morning Sabnock

I was just wondering if you had drunk a lot of Aya before you started adding the lemon balm tea?

I am hopefully drinking this weekend and im going to try some lemon balm, but not for the nausea, im more interested in the effects of the tea as an ad mixture plant

cheers

Morning, and yes, in fact, all of 2012 i was taking Ayahuasca pretty often, like 3 to 4 times a week or so. And it wasn't until last year when i decided to add in the Lemon Balm as an admixture plant (an Ayahuasca ally), that i really started receiving full on messages from Ayahuasca, and much clearer teachings and much better experiences.

Lemon Balm does cut out some of the nausea, and Cannabis helps with the rest of the nausea, but Lemon Balm to me isn't about helping with nausea or the gut so much as it is about getting more out of the experience, atleast more than i was getting out of it.

It's amazing really, something as simple as a few grams of Lemon Balm could make such a difference. What i do, is i take my Harmala capsule and immediately drink a tea made from 3 grams of Lemon Balm. I then wait an hour and a half for the Harmalas to fully kick in, and i drink my Acacia Confusa tea mixed with 1 to 1.5 grams more of Lemon Balm. The result, is really awesome. And i've learned that at an hour and a half after ingestion of the Harmalas, it really is the "right" time to drink the DMT-containing tea. If i wait only an hour and drink the Acacia, things tend to not work out and the experience is dull or very mild, but i wait just 30 minutes more and then start drinking the Acacia, it's by far the BEST time to drink.

cheers Sabnock, much appreciated, I will report back if I drink

Np, and please do report back. I'm very interested in hearing other people's accounts with this combination

OK, so here is my special, non-ayahuasca tea blend which I developed through a mixture of literature research, educated guesswork, intuition and luck. All of the herbs are purchased in dried form from my local herbalist's store, except the calamus, which I don't think they stock. Note that it's possible to grow all of these plants in a temperate maritime climate, except for the damiana:

Take 1 tablespoon each of:
German chamomile (flowers), calendula (flowers), catmint (herb), red clover (flowering herb), cleavers (herb) (Galium aparine), calamus (rootstock), stinging nettle (herb), St. John's wort (herb). (At this point I realise I should have written this down. I may also have added lemon balm to this mix (1 Tbsp) on the basis of this thread, but I really can't remember!)
Add also 2 teaspoons of damiana (herb), and one teaspoon each of mulllein and passion flower.

Mix thoroughly in a large jar. Use one or two teaspoons of this mixture infused with a half pint (284 mL) boiling water for 10 minutes, take two (2) to four (4) times daily for a week and try to keep to a vegetarian wholefood diet with lots of raw salad

The used herbs, if kept in a mesh infuser, may be immediately soaked in another half pint of cold spring water for 3-6 hours and the liquid can then be consume before you make your next cup of hot tea.

I haven't tried it yet, but this blend may be worth trying as a cold infusion from the start.

The technology is all in the plants, if you do the research

***NOTE THAT CERTAIN OF THESE HERBS, PARTICULARLY ST. JOHN'S WORT MAY BE ADVERSELY INTERACTED WITH BY OTHER, CHEMICAL MEDICATIONS. THE BASIS OF THIS TYPE OF WORK IS SELECTIVE ENZYME INHIBITIONS AND SIMILAR, BUT NOT NECESSARILY IDENTICAL, WARNINGS APPLY AS THOSE REGARDING USE OF MAOI'S AND AYAHUASCA. DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND BE SAFE - DON'T TRY THIS IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF LIVER, KIDNEY OR HEART COMPLAINT, NOR IF YOU ARE USING ANY KIND OF PHARMACEUTICAL MEDICATION (EVEN ASPIRIN), EXCEPT UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF A QUALIFIED PHYSICIAN!*** (disclaimer rant ends )

Sabnock, I see you mentioned using skullcap a few posts back. What where you hoping it might provide? When I've used it in the past it left me with a groggy hangover feeling the next day, although I did combine it with linden (lime) flower.

You should definitely try adding passionflower. It's good stuff. I like using around 4 grams per dose.