SWIM has been experiencing high discomfort in his tongue and sometimes his throat when he vaporizes his enhanced leaf. It has been happening the last several times he's taken his enhanced leaf, it is a feeling of having something that doesn't belong to his body right between his mouth and throat. The discomfort is so intense that he feels the need of reaching in, finding this thing that doesn't belong there and taking it out. Needless to say, as much as he tries to ignore the feeling or focusing on something else, his thoughts find a way to come back to the discomfort. The feeling usually lasts for the entire trip at high strength, about 1 hour afterwards in medium strength and for a day or so at mild strength. It has gotten to the point that SWIM is concerned about the feeling getting stronger and possibly end up in a stressful-hazardous situation.

A bit of info before we move on.
SWIM uses a GVG, and been using it for many months now, so we are talking about the same vaporizing tool. SWIM has been using the same technique he's always used, so SWIM doesn't think that is the issue either. SWIM cleans his GVG often and changes his copper boy mesh every few uses. SWIM has been taking from the same batch of enhanced leaf as before he started getting that feeling so he doesn't think is the batch. Also, SWIM has experimented with other batches (with different leaves) of enhanced leaf and also when he is in different states of mind but still gets the "strange object in his mouth" feeling. (some of SWIM's friends have vaporized from the same batches and do not experience anything like what SWIM is describing) so SWIM doesn't think is the enhanced leaf.

So in summary
It's probably not the vaporizing tool
It's probably not the vaporizing technique
It's probably not the batch of enhanced leaf
It's probably not the mental state

Before this started happening there was every now and then a mild call for attention from SWIM's mouth during trips as if his mouth were dirty and needed to be cleaned but it never escalated until a few weeks ago.

Here's what swim has tried so far to solve the issue
Brush his teeth before vaporizing... didn't work
Drink water in between hits... didn't work
Meditate before vaporizing... didn't work
Vaporize from other batches... didn't work
Change body position during and after vaporizing ... didn't work
Change angle of the GVG.... didn't work
Took a break for a few weeks... didn't work
Open up throat (like when singing) .... didn't work
Searched the nexus for hours looking for answers... somehow worked, I found someone talking about sore throat products to numb the throat before smoking as he was experiencing some discomfort, I have yet to try this. Other than that I haven't found much info on the subject

On a final note. Thinking that the feeling could be a numbness of the throat which in turn made his body feel like something was not part of it, SWIM tried touching parts of his mouth with a Q-Tip (several min after coming back for hyperspace). It turned out that SWIM can touch much of his mouth and even the back of his throat with a Q-tip without feeling anything at all. That may very well be the explanation but SWIM is reaching out trying to get ideas or read about previous experiences from some of you with the same issue and how to address it.


Thanks a lot in advance.


PS. This discussion probably belongs somewhere else but since I have not posted much in the forum I can't seem to post anywhere else

Hi Sagath, sorry to hear about you problem.
My Brother has the same or worse thing going for him . I asked her on the forum about it and got some answers...heres a link: https://www.dmt-nexus.me...;t=51788&find=unread

I also have a mouth issue but its less bothering than Yours and my Brothers...and i also know what its about: almost every time i smoke dmt "they" (dmt inner voices) point out that i have two huge Mercury fillings in my upper jaw and they really want me to get it out, its like : what,do you still have that in there? why dont you listen to uss? and then i can taste the awfull Mercury in my mouth. This is lasting about 10-15 Seconds right after i smoke it,and i go straigt to the pleasant dmt experience after that. (I am saving up Money for the dentist now, and after i started thinking about that the Messages are less botherig)

My Brother doesnt behave very Nice these days, he is full of him self and treats other People like Garbage and doesnt even sees it himself. Idont think "they" want him up/in there ,so he gets thrown out from hyperspace in a exorcist like way every time he smokes.

Not saying you are a bad person, but maybe you do something wrong in Your everydaylife that is picked up on. Next time you travel...pay attention/listen for a Message.

I hope you sort out that mouth issue soon man,doesnt sound fun at all.
Wfr TT

I also get a Metal/Mercury taste in my mouth right before most breakthroughs. My mouth often seems to be the last point of consciousness in my body before I leave it. That's when I get the strange taste and almost metal feel and vibration.
Its never uncomfortable though.

I do have some metal fillings in my teeth from when I was a kid, in the early 80s. Would they be Mercury? I hope not.

Sagath, sorry I can't be more help to your issue, it looks like you have already troubleshooted everything I could think of.


Last resort idea, have you looked into the Throat Chakra?
Maybe something to consider? Blocked energy?
Just an idea.
Keep us updated, seems other people have this issue as well.

Mr Gypzy..Your metal fillings are probably what is called "amalgan" and a fair amount of that is Mercury. The same ones i Call Mercury fillings-its the same, and you should also get them out as soon as possible.
Here in N.....,where i live, its expensive to remove so im doing it abroad on a holliday or something.

The metal taste is from Your fillings,pay attention next time before breakthrough....I get confronted wery specific on this almost every time.
It can of corse be all fantasy-but i prefeer to take it seriusly, , but thats just me, so no garantee

TT

Hmmm,.I know about the persistant "why don't you listen to us" thing, but with me it's "why the hell don't you quit smoking?". Every time I break thru, they indirect my lungs and show me in excruciating detail, the damage I do to myself. So that, I'm not discounting.

I have, however, also experienced some mouth discomfort from smoking spice due to it's high Ph, being a freebase. I have amalgam filings, and two teeth broken at the gum line, but I've not received information or sensation regarding that. It's a constant pain that unfortunately I cannot afford to remedy. I think the "entities"may understand the difference between willful self-destruction, and poor dentistry, and economic position.

I don't know much about amalgam fillings, I've had mine since elementary school, but don't know if they have negatively affected my health (how would I, it's all I know). Still, I find your report in that it illustrates a level of "care" on the party off whatever it is we contact, be it deep inner consciousness, or some true outer, other consciousness.

I'm obviously not offering any solutions here, and other mire knowledgeable Nexians may help you more in determining whether you are experiencing an effect of smoking freebase or something else.

Perhaps you could try salting your extract, and seeing if the lower Ph value helps with your issue.

Happy trails, friend!

Thanks for the info.

Though I get the sensation and taste in my mouth before breakthrough, I've yet to have any Entities make any communication or bring attention to it.

I've talked with people that say that old fillings could be leaking posion or be harmful to my health. I guess some more research is in order and then a talk with a dentist.

I have also been "harassed" in hyperspace about my smoking.
I have cut back a lot in the last year, but need to quit.
I got the feeling that a healing on the damage could be done by some hyperspace beings, but only if I quit first.

Never thought about the PH of FB maybe causing an interaction, guess some experimenting is in order.

Also, I'm Female, so my Name MzGypzy would be Ms. Not Mr.
Like Ms.Gypsy ..... Z's. Instead of S's

Just FYI, no biggie!

Mz.Gypzy then...

Thanks Everyone.

Right now SWIM is giving spice a longer break to see if that helps. Strangely enough, some discomfort remains although swim has not smoked in a few weeks. Swim will see a physician to check if there is a mild infection or anything like that. Swim hopes that maybe the spice did not create the condition but rather it was just pointing at it for me to take care of it. This way swim will be able to keep spice in his life. Thanks again.

I second that. See a physician for sure, and a biopsy will probably be in order.
On a side note, about a year and a half ago, I had agitated an area in my throat due to constant coughing from my heavy cannabis and tobacco use. It got to the point that I developed to what felt like a "lump". So I took it easy on the cigs and herb, and over the course of a few months it went away. My point being, is SWIM may have agitated his/her throat as well, and a sensitive spot may have popped up due to smoking. Does SWIM smoke other substances as well?

Yes, I got the same feeling. It is connected to the tongue, like if something is between the tongue and throat and you need to get it out from the mouth.
I believe it increases with the dosage of the spice. On 5-10 mg it was almost unnoticeable and really inobtrusive for my mind.

Having said that, in my case this feeling disappears quickly, at the end of the trip. It doesn't last hours or even minutes after that.

I smoked it without any herbs infusion, just plain freebase. Might be it is really related to high PH or lye residues.

Thanks guys,
SWIM doesn't smoke anything else or takes any other substance. SWIM has an interesting update that may help people experiencing this awful feeling. SWIM went to see a specialized doctor and it turns out that SWIM has Acid Reflux, a condition that irritates and causes inflammation. There's also a blister in SWIM's throat which might have appeared by the ongoing reflux or maybe by a small burn from the hot vapor SWIM does not know for sure, what he does know now is that the blister is what feels like a foreign object in his throat and that the reflux is not allowing it to heal. The spice then was burning the already affected area creating the discomfort or pointing out that there was something SWIM needed to take care of in there. Course of action given to SWIM was to take anti-acids for a few weeks and wait until the blister and mucous membranes heal. It's been almost a month since SWIM vaporized some spice and it will be a few more weeks until he does it again. SWIM will let everyone know if the discomfort goes away.

FYI, Smoking reduces some of our mucous membranes' natural defences to prevent damage from the acid reflux. There are some chewing tablets that create a protective membrane for the faringe and laringe. Worth researching if you have this issue.

NOTE: SWIM is not a doctor, and whatever information he shared is for informational purposes only. You should talk to your health practitioner before taking any medicament.

I have also had a discomfort from large doses.
This includes a lung burning sensation that can make the trip uncomfortable, though it only happens after a prolonged session with repeated use.

I have also had aftertastes where I can taste it, not just with my tongue, but with my whole body, for hours after using it, this only occurs at large doses but can be very uncomfortable.

I found nothing but time would remove this flavor.
It reminds me of how when I take a decent dose of mescaline I end up tasting it with my skin a few hours into the experience, hard to explain but it is awkward.