Hey everyone,
I just thought this might be an appropriate place to share this finding. I have seen Arc TurboFlame torch lighters sold for upwards of $50. That is just absurd. Buy it here for $15 instead. I'm not certain that it is the Arc TurboFlame brand, but it is identical and has never failed me once. Same amount of efficiency, half the price.


Wouldn't this render the GVG equally effective as a $5 glass pipe from a headshop? The ceramic filter is pretty much solely responsible for giving the GVG an advantage over any other glass pipe.

EDIT: Just finished reading through this thread in it's entirety. Funny how 95% of the last 5 or so pages are questions that have been answered 10 times in the thread, often in the first 2 pages. Does nobody read anymore?? Come on, people...

Or buy them here for $10 each with free shipping. (If you don't mind buying 3 at a time.)

Thanks Gibran!

Normal for copper to look like this afterwards?

Did you burn off the nasties first?

Yes, but perhaps I didn't do it long enough. The first disc I made I burned liberally, and it turned silver and brown. I thought that meant oxidation, so the second time I didn't burn it as long.

Hmm... The one in the picture might be oxidising, but I feel like if it were getting hot enough to oxidize copper it would probably be pyrolizing the crap out of your spice so I'm not sure what's going on there. I'm no expert on these copper mesh discs as I haven't used one in a long time, perhaps someone else will chime in with some insight.

The best advice I could give you would be to buy a couple of 7/16" ceramic flavor discs. They are much preferred to the scrubber-pads by many people on here, myself included. VaporGenie also sells replacement ceramic filters which I imagine would work just as well, but I don't know for sure because I haven't tried one yet.

Looks perfectly normal. Nice clean copper, not over-heated and oxidized. Good!

What does overheated and oxidized copper look like? Black? Mine has been black for months (maybe a year!)

Black, dark brown, maybe gray, possibly with flaking bits coming off.

The black could also be from carbon. (Maybe it’s time to change your disc!)

One of many nice things about the ceramic discs is that you can heat them to a very high temperature to burn off any residue that might be accumulating.

I hope there are no negative repercussions to vaping through a black disc. I just had a changa party with a bunch of friends with that black disc that i reported on in the DMT EXPERIENCES subforum (hint hint Gibran2 ).

Hi Jbark. Good to see you. Good to see everyone.

I've been cleaning my copper pad with acetone. I don't mind the black. In my case it comes from burning the excess spice off after journeys. That's what I used to do, until I realized that cleaning the copper mesh with acetone was a better solution that didn't cause soot build up and didn't leave my room smelling like burnt indole for a week.
Duh.
I just use a pipette to drop acetone onto the copper disc after I've removed it from the GVG. I do that a few times and then I let it dry. Good as new. Doesn't clean the black off, but I bet if I could get small enough I could scrub it off, while climbing through the tangled matrices.
Actually, now that I think about it I've probably oxidized my mesh disc a bit by my previous torching. Maybe I'll make a new one.
And btw, isn't copper oxide green?

yea i think im sold. must get one. 99.99 is such a high price.

Hi, frequent this forum already has a time and already read the 31 pages of this topic. Next month I want to smoke dmt, I even bought a glass vaporizer bat, I'm thinking of using stainless steel (here in Brazil I not found choreboy or similar) and smoking with a mixture of changa or mullein. I like to go into hyperspace, I will have more chances of getting with changa or greatly depends on the technique? And I do not understand how to heat the ceramic filter?

Sorry for my bad English, google translator facilitated

Okay I haven't read all the pages on this thread... I work away from home and access to the inter webs is often limited.

But I order me a GVG before I left home so it is waiting for me there. I'm so excited. I've had a few failed attempts at breaking through and want to get consistent reliable method down before I share the experiences with others I know are interested.

I was going make a "machine" and still probably with for travel/excursions away from home. But after reading about the VG I decided to bite the bullet.

But the main reason for this post is this that I've been using regular lighters. I've had them malfunction by getting to hot and the wheel supports getting weak, or using the ones with a long stem for charcoal light not sparking and light right, both of which screwed up my session. Then the other day my wife sent me a link to this, http://www.rei.com/produ...806554/soto-pocket-torch I'm a lite weight backpacker and would not carry on extended hikes, but for short ones or as a companion for the GVG it seems as if it would be decent option.

I did a search and only found one short thread that mentioned it. So I was wondering if any others have used it and find it reliable.

Peace...

Ok Im sold just bought 1.

Thanks for a great thread. This site is awesome.

I stared with the "Machine" a few years ago for FB, and it worked well enough, but was not as effective as I wanted.

Now, I mostly journey with Changa, while it is probably my favorite ROA. I had to see what all the Fuss was about with the GVG.

So, I am now a member of the GVG club!

I received mine last week, but have not had a chance to use it yet. Going to give it a go, tonight or tomorrow.

Have to say, its a nice piece of glass and I am pleased to know that I will be using something so effective as to not waste the spice.


Just wanted to say Thank You to everyone that paved the way, and shared the information to make it easier for those of us that come after.

Thank you!

I have not used the lighter in the link you posted, the only lighter I have ever used with my GVG is the Blazer PB-207http://www.blazerproducts.com/lighters/torch.html. I have since read the Amazon reviews and many people are disappointed with the lighter calling it trash out right. It has never let me down in ALL the many times it has been used. No mis fires, no unpredictable results, no negatives at all in my experience. The only thing that can be a little tricky is working the safety with your thumb as "the shift" occurs after the first 10-20 seconds of launching. You have to sort of roll your thumb forward to make the safety disengage and as manual dexterity is a bit of an issue when launching it is my only complaint, which really isn't a complaint at all.

Good luck friend.

I've ordered an Aluminum VG, too clumsy with glass, but anyway. I have electronic BICs on hand. Would they suffice or should I get a hold of a quality torch ASAP?

get a decent torch