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TrippyMane1017
#1 Posted : 12/14/2013 3:27:49 AM

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Hello y'all! Me and my buddy are beginner extractors. We have followed 4 different teks found on this website and we have done about 72hrs total in extractions without any success yet Sad

We are now in process of completing a variation of "thick-lights tek"

This is the exact method we are following:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=51199


We followed the tek, using: 200g Acacia Confusa Root Bark.

First, we added 800ml Distilled Water & 80ml White Distilled Vinegar to the ACRB in jar, which was simmered for 90 minutes using a hot-water bath system with a stainless steel pot on a hotplate, and then transferred to another jar. The ACRB was then put back into the first jar, with a fresh 800 mL distilled water/80 mL distilled white vinegar. This was done a total of 5 times. This was stirred quite frequently, a little more than every 5 minutes.

After the 5 boils, we were left with 4500 mLs of liquid. We transfered the 4500 mLs of liquid in the jar to a pot and boiled it at a reasonable rate. This was reduced to 650 mLs.

We then transferred the reduced liquid back into a jar, and mixed in 4/10ths of a cup of lye to the reduced mixture, which got quite hot and turned jet black.

We let the basified reduced solution cool down to room temperature. Meanwhile, we heated 200 mL's of Ronsonol lighter fuel (100% light petroleum distillate) so that it was quite warmer than the jar containing the basified reduced solution. The warm naphtha was added to the basified reduced solution.

This mixture was then picked up and vigorously swirled in a circular motion, and placed back into a hot-water bath to stay warm. We let the basified reduced solution completely separate with the naphtha before each round of swirling. This was done a total of 10 times.

When the basified reduced solution and the naphtha was completely separated into two layers, the naphtha was suctioned off using a turkey baster, and placed into a small jar. The naphtha was a milky white that appeared so thick, one couldn't see through it.

After completely suctioning out all the naphtha from the basified reduced solution into the small jar, the small jar was then poured into a glass pyrex dish.

The glass pyrex dish was then plastic wrapped thoroughly, and put into the freezer at the coldest setting. The dish was put at a slant by propping one end up using a book.

This was left in the freezer for roughly 30 hours.

Before the dish was taken out of the freezer, we placed a funnel and coffee filter in the freezer so they would become ice cold.

When everything was ice cold, we removed the plastic wrap from the pyrex and the excess naphtha was poured off through the filter/funnel system and into another jar. The naphtha was then discarded.

Most of the crystals were stuck to the pyrex dish. However, some crystals were in the naphtha that was poured from the pyrex dish. These crystals were caught by the filter, and immediately put back into the freezer for evaporation. Even though this was done quickly, the crystals in the filter disappeared within the hour. (Still not sure if the crystals were evaporated off, dissolved back into the naphtha and then evaporated, or just plain melted.)

The pyrex dish was placed back into the freezer completely upside down, with paper towels underneath it to catch any naphtha that was no poured off. After an hour or so, the pyrex dish was turned right side up, and the paper towels were discarded.

There were small white crystals stuck to the pyrex at this point. To make sure there was no naphtha left under the crystals the pyrex dish was left in the freezer for another few hours.

The problem lies when we took it out of the freezer. We let it sit out at room temperature and within a half hour, all the white crystals were gone, and a oily substance across the surface of the pyrex was all that remained.

This substance was very hard to scrape up, and any that was scraped up was a sticky dark tannish color. A small amount of naphtha was heated using a hot-bath system and poured onto the sticky substance. However, when the naphtha evaporated off, the same goo still remained, and had lost some of its volume.

We are not getting any closer to figuring out what is wrong with our procedure using previous forum topics. We feel we have spent ample time experimenting with different teks and variations that we need a direct answer for our specific procedure.

Any and all feedback is much appreciated. We would like to thank the nexus for getting us this far, it has been a very useful resource in our endeavors!
 

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#2 Posted : 12/14/2013 3:52:36 AM

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You seem to be doing everything correctly. Your goo is probably a mixture of DMT/NMT, it's smokeable as-is, though it won't be as potent as pure DMT. The presence of NMT keeps it from crystalizing. You can make enhanced leaf by dissolving the goo with acetone and then evaporating it on a non-psychoactive herb like mullein. Weigh your herb before you add it to the acetone and weigh it after, subtract to get the total weight of goo and divide that by the total weight to get the % DMT by mass.

If you're really after crystals that stay solid at room temperature, read this thread.
 
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#3 Posted : 12/14/2013 7:58:32 AM

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This thread sounds an awful lot like a slightly more detailed version of this thread from earlier today... Wut? I'll just quote my response from that thread.

Entheogenerator wrote:
This might help, but I'm not certain from your description:
..Enough GOO questions! read this..

DMT will not evaporate at room temperature, no matter what. If there were still solvent in the pan when you set it out to dry, the crystals might dissolve into the solvent, but when it evaporated it would leave the DMT crystals behind.

If all else fails, you're gonna have to learn to love the goo.
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#4 Posted : 12/14/2013 8:27:49 AM

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When boiling down did you watch the pH? The bark sounded tarry too you may have some alkaloids engulfed by the tannins.
How much did the goo weigh?
Some may have also absorbed into the filter. Some maybe microscopic puddles.
A few steps where loss can occur on bark that has below average content can mean a poor yield, it all adds up.
Try adding non-iodised table salt after basifying, mash the bark while its in the acid phase and boil it rigorously.

You could of course have bunk bark or old material. Or stem or trunk bark that are known to have less and be more variable in content.
 
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#5 Posted : 12/14/2013 6:27:05 PM

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mane, hold up.. u got too much lean in your cup.

prior to freeze precipitating, i suggest drying the naphtha
over magnesium sulfate (epsom salts).
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#6 Posted : 12/14/2013 9:29:22 PM

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When doing A/B extractions of all sorts pH values come quite handy. You don't need them, but they come handy. For your acid phase aim at a pH of 2-3, for your base phase 10-11. pH paper is super cheap (~ $2-$5 from China) or can be obtained at aquarium/pool shops.

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#7 Posted : 12/27/2013 8:00:02 AM

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Thank you everyone! Trippy Mane and friend have successfully gotten our end product! Two different end results so far, one off white and once tan in color!

As Trippy Mane and his buddy have been testing out the products; it seems that we are tripping very well. We have seen zig zag lines, holographic and colorfully vivid surroundings when keeping our eyes open. Yet if we close our eyes, we see different familiar and unfamiliar things changing on aberage at about every 5 seconds. Even tho we have most definitely tripped; we still believe that we haven't "launched off" yet.

The 1st "night" time we packed a bowl with weed and then put 50mg Dimethyltryptamine on top packed in and held the lighter flame above the DMT to vaporize with a moderate result as stated above.

The 2nd "night" time we tried vaporizing out of a bulb and had a minimal experience.

The 3rd "night" time we had sandwiched the DMT on top of a base layer of weed with a a top layer of weed over the DMT and packed thoroughly. We just lighted this up like a regular bowl of weed, so flame touching top layer of weed and vaporizing the middle layer of DMT, which gave me a few heavy hits. This resulted in the most extreme trip for me thus far yet i still believe i haven't "lifted off." My buddy had a minimal to moderate experience opposed to mime this time.

I have heard of infusing weed with DMT, this way you could just light it up like you would smoke weed in a bowl or bong making it more familiar and less scary so i can convince more friends to experience it as well; and was curious what my fellow Trippy Enthusiasts would suggest for me and my friend to do differently in order to experience the most intense trip possible.

Again Trippy Mane needs your help! Thanks for everything thus far! I appreciate the Trippy Comments aswell! Smile
 
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#8 Posted : 12/27/2013 8:27:17 AM

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The sandwich and half-sandwich methods will work, but they are horribly inefficient and a waste of spice in my experience/opinion. When I was first discovering DMT, it took somewhere around 40-50 mg using the sandwich and half-sandwich methods to achieve the same effects as 15-20 mg vaporized using a more efficient method.

I would recommend The Machine, or some enhanced leaf like you suggested. Except I would recommend starting with something other than cannabis, so that you can experience DMT on it's own before adding another psychoactive into the mix. Though I very much enjoy both individually, I have never enjoyed DMT and cannabis together.

Another option (the one which I prefer but try not to advocate too much) would be to go all-in on a Glass VaporGenie, which many Nexians prefer significantly to any other device or method. But it is a little bit more of an investment than The Machine or enhanced leaf.

I would also recommend you get yourself a small glass vial. DMT sticks to tinfoil like crazy. Although it will stick to glass a little bit as well, it is much easier to clean out or simply vaporize out of a small glass vial. A tinfoil wrap is also not very airtight, but that really isn't a huge concern unless you plan to store it for several years.
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#9 Posted : 12/27/2013 11:45:15 AM

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