I loaded the GVG with 30mg. Like last time, I took a few hits and despite it being 'pleasant' and 'visual' I didn't break through. I again thought 'oh well, might as well just see what's left' took a third hit, held it in for about 30 seconds and things went batshit crazy.

This time I had a stopwatch on my phone running, so I could see time passing and see whether there was any distortion. That turned out to be useful, but not in the way I was imagining.

Anyway as I again thought 'oh shit', my sense of self remained intact and what I normally see as 'hyperspace' did not intrude on 'normal reality' but 'normal reality' became highly distorted indeed. Alien.

Then my heart did something it's never ever done before. It accelerated almost instantly into an extremely strong and fast beat for about a minute. I intuitively and deeply knew that a heart couldn't take this much punishment for long without causing a death-inducing malfunction.

Despite being in physical difficulty at the time I timed how many beats were in a second (using the running stopwatch on my desk) and it was 'around' (and at least) 4 beats per second. That's 240+ BPM. The max for my age (40) is around 180-190, by common calculation. During this time I couldn't hear a damn thing apart from my blood rushing around in my ears, along with the deafening machine-gun heartbeat.

I've never had such a heart rate in my life, despite in the distant past being the victim of horrendous panic attacks, an episode of atrial fibrillation, and heavy deadlifting/squats in the gym to the point of near-fainting. In essence, despite having undergone some extreme heart states in the past, this was an entirely new (and unwelcome) level of physical heart stress for me.

Despite what was going on, I wasn't in a state of panic. This was only because it was implicitly recognized that where I was physically was already way beyond anywhere that panic applied. My heart was either going to give out, or I was going to make it. And that was it. Me and 'my panic' were totally irrelevant to proceedings.

I breathed deeply and slowly and went into a meditative state and 'accepted' that I would either die or I wouldn't (this type of 'acceptance' is not 'active' but passive - again, whether 'I accepted' death or not was irrelevant to proceedings, it would happen or it wouldn't).

Eventually this spell ended and my heart rate then dived off a cliff back down to what felt like normal, although I didn't measure it. The decrease in rate was tremendously fast. I was shaken but relieved I'd survived.

I was then able to start taking a proper interest in the very foreign looking space I was now inhabiting. Before I started the session I had made a note to explore the space more than I normally do if I was able to, by swiveling my chair around.

What I saw was again extremely foreign, and my heart rate instantly ramped to around 240 BPM again, with the same symptoms as before. I returned to my original sitting position and again went into a meditative state. No panic, just pure mental calm and the knowledge that I would either die or I wouldn't, and there was nothing to do but 'take it'.

By the time this second attack wore off, my vision was slightly less grotesque-ified than it was, so I felt that the worst may be over. It was then I think my mind started to regain enough footing to appreciate the magnitude of what had just happened, and I experienced a panic. The panic was accompanied by 'exit sickness' and both together caused dry heaving, since I managed to suppress actual vomiting.

I raised my hands to gauge how I'd been affected, and I had massive, cartoonish-magnitude tremors. I unfolded my legs and they started to spasm involuntarily very badly, having the effect of looking like convulsions. This shaking, shivering and spasming of my arms and legs continued for about 10 minutes. During this time I also became cold to my core.

My wife - who I had called in after getting over the initial exit panic/heaving - gave me a hot water bottle and a cup of hot water. I then had to alternate between bed and moving around in order to make my heart feel 'normal', since it was feeling decidedly strange. Sometimes moving helped it regain normalcy, sometimes being motionless seemed to help.

After 8 hours sleep (during which I had several dreams involving deaths of various sorts, for myself and other characters), my next day was sort of normal, except for several periods of heart discomfort, which I put out of my mind as best I could (which is pretty well, I don't let me mind dominate me) and got on with my duties. During that day I felt immensely grateful to be alive (despite not knowing what happens at death - for all I know it could be wonderful). My sense of mortality during this time was extremely high.

Today (two days later) I finally feel fully recovered.

This was an extremely intense and difficult experience. I should like to avoid that sort of thing in the future. It is only today that I can even start to consider taking DMT again, the past two days I've been like 'well, that might be the end of that'. I'm a very interested explorer of 'other realms' but equally I'm not sure I want to kill myself doing it.

Some thoughts/intuitions on the matter:

1) One Big Hit might be less stress than 3 staggered hits taken over 4 minutes or so?
2) Go down to a low dose (e.g. 10mg or less) and climb up very slowly over time?
3) Go to the doctor and get my heart and cholesterol (etc) checked out?
4) Has my DMT got something 'nasty' in it that could cause this? I noticed a bit of 'yellow goo' in there this time, that I'd scraped off the bottom of the pyrex.
5) I might invest in a talisman. I'm not ordinarily superstitious, but I'll take all the help I can get after this.
6) Is this heart behavior the result of some deep (unconscious) shock from seeing ordinary reality so distorted? One thing that could lend weight to that is because it happened first as I was catapulted into the distortion, and the second time as I looked at a completely different area of the room, which was again shockingly distorted but in a 'new and fresh' way.
7) Will lying down decrease stress on my heart?
8 ) Maybe I should consider never opening my eyes?

One final thing, I asked a question before I lifted off and it was 'entities, can you give me a sign as to whether you can see this dimension that I am in at all times'. During this experience I got a very strong 'YES' telepathic feeling. Because of the madness that was happening at the time I didn't know what this 'YES' was about until I came back down and connected it with the question.

If you made it this far I'm very grateful. Please express an opinion, I'd be very interested in anything anyone has to say.

Best wishes...

I've had weird experiences with my heart too. That is some goddamned scary stuff when you are tripping your face off and now you can't even rely on your heart.



5. I array some crystals and power stones around myself before blasting off. I won't "go in alone" anymore. I bring power objects and/or human friends and/or will call to mind people and things I love before hand/ will call upon protective spirits. I'll even just say the word "love" before blasting off and the word "thank you" afterwards. A simple circle of quartz and a will to only invite "good intentioned spirits" into my space. Even if you are not "superstitious", things like that can be comforting.


IDK man, I probably have zero advice that is of any use to you, but I feel your pain bro.

And best wishes right back at you.

Wow. Sorry to hear that, corto.

I too once had a bad physical reaction to vaporised DMT, allthough it didn't include my heart that much.
My heart did race, but the main difficulty was a sense of toxic shock: Muscle cramps and weakness: I could barely stand on my feet, extreme nausea(Not the hyperspace-kind, but the "Help-I'm poisoned"-kind) and profuse sweating.

I was so very close to blacking out, but managed to stay aware and didn't have to throw up in the end.
I too thought I may have ingested some impurities, like perhaps some Lye was in there.


I had another near-fainting experience, with a purge, but without the feeling poisoned. This little death was caused by the spiritual discomfort of smoalking DMT with someone who persistantly talked, ranted, yelled to such an extent that my inner peace was turned into a chaotic, sickening chaos that I had to purge. The purge was from the backend by the way. No puking.


So some of these death-like experiences are caused by spiritual ills, while others are caused by physical ills(Impurities, adverse reactions to the spice perhaps) But for me the difference was very clear.

I have since been quite alot more weary of DMT.

That's very scary my suggestion is to start with the
Spice your using . I would check that really carefully and make
Sure it was thoroughly evaporated and doesnt have any toxic
Stuff left in it . That reaction sounds like a combo of too much and
Bad spice. My experience has been that no matter how intense it
Gets under normal conditions , clean spice ,
there is a ceiling on how fast my heart rate accelerates. It never
Crosses that line that's even accounting for anxiety .
I stopped messing with plain spice a while ago .
Only changa and lots of caapi leaf and tea .
I think your idea to get checked by a doctor is an imperative
For you .

Thanks for the advice and sympathies, brothers.

@Doodazzle, I will definitely do that. I'll look into how to make talismans and get together a 'preflight ceremony'. My wife is going to help me with that.

@SKA, ouch, sorry to hear about your poisoning, rear purging and having to suffer such smoalking company. I agree, the difference between physical and non-physical ills is clear, and this was a physical issue 100%. I'm also VERY cautious about DMT now...

@Felnik, the extract I did was the Q2121 one with calcium hydroxide and naptha. So there's no lye in there at least. Also I was pretty careful.

Everything I used was glass or stainless steel (or wood - chopstick for stirring), apart from two exceptions that I can think of:

1) The bulb on my stainless steel large turkey baster is some kind of soft pliable synthetic plastic/rubber. There is a possibility that naptha briefly went into that bulb while I was siphoning from the mush to the precipitation container. Not ideal, but I'd be surprised if it was a big enough deal to worry about. I always wash and dry that bulb out after each transfer.

2) I kept my barkmush for weeks in a pyrex container with a plastic lid on it. And also did my freeze precipitations in another one just like it. Could the naptha fumes have somehow leached plastic from the lid into the spice/barkmush (depite there being no barkmush-plastic direct contact)? I kept my barkmush in that container for about a month, since I did the extractions over a long period of time.

The naptha was Ronsonol lighter fluid manufactured in the UK, which evapped with no traces of residue off a CD, so I assume it's clean. Many reports on the Nexus say that Ronsonol made in the UK is fine.

Anyway, I'm doing a re-x on .2g of it now. A very thin orange layer of goo has been taken off. I'll re-x it again after it's crystallized to see if anything else comes out. I may also do a sodium carbonate wash (not sure, I'm pretty new to all this).

I'll get a thorough physical check up and some blood tests within a week or two. No messing about.

I'll also start exercising more regularly, although I'm not unfit. I jog with my dogs occasionally with no problems, and I can do 15 bodyweight chin ups for example without raising my heart rate very much.

When I go back to the spice I'll also start with low doses in the GVG (say 10mg or less) and get a good technique going to whip the whole lot down in one go. My technique must really suck right now.

Blessings to you all...

Good thinking Corto. I too had concerns about the plastic/rubber(whatisit?) bulb on turkey basters.

Another thing to watch out for when doing spice extractions is NOT to use any bottles, jars or other containers with rubber seals in their lids. Many of the solvents used to extract spice can quite easily dissolve rubber.

Smoalking rubber-tainted spice could defenitely be a cause for such bad physical reactions.

Well, the jar I use to keep the re-usable naptha in between pulls is glass, but has a rubber seal between the lid and the jar. It's the type where you have a flip hinge that when secured creates pressure on the rubber ring which is supposed to create an airtight seal. The naptha liquid never touches the inner part of the seal, but the fumes will do so, obviously.

Edit: I just checked this jar and although the rubber is 'moist' in places (from the fumes), there is no apparent structural damage or malformation. I'm really not sure whether the liquid naptha has ever touched the rubber. I doubt it, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

I've noticed that this seal is airtight for stuff like jam and whatnot, but when I keep naptha in it, the level of naptha goes down very slowly over time (I wanted to check it was airtight so I made marks at the waterline and several weeks later I saw that I'd lost maybe 10ml).

Anyway, do you (or anyone else) now consider this batch of spice to be dirty beyond recovery, given that I've done pulls using re-used naptha whose fumes have been in contact with rubber?

Is there some documentation somewhere about the negative interaction between naptha or its fumes and rubber? I found plenty of posts that say 'naptha touched the rubber and melted it' and were advised to bin the product or embark on a (relatively) complex cleaning process. But fumes...? Not sure.

Oh, I forgot that I was storing the DMT in a small plastic vial. I have no idea what type of plastic it was. It didn't seem damaged/malformed/misshapen/melted or whatever when I examined it. I migrated to glass just now anyway.

I double checked the lid of the pyrex dish I kept the barkmush in/did the freeze precips in. There is a pretty small (less than 1cm diameter) rubber dual-position steam vent plug thing made out of rubber, in the center of the lid.

It's supposed to be soft so you can push it into the lid hole and it will wedge in and make an airtight seal, but after my usage it's shrunk by a small amount (less than 1mm in diameter I'd say) and hardened. So it doesn't make a seal any more, it's just loose. These lids are BPA-free, apparently.

I'm still a bit divided as to how I'll proceed with this DMT. I'll do various cleanings on it anyway, if nothing else than for practice. Then I'll either smoalk some in low doses or chuck it and do a Q21Q21 jimjam party tek, because I have some D-limonene. I don't think I'd do a naptha tek again in the future. And lye... well, that just scares me. 100% food grade teks for me from now on!

I measured my blood pressure and it's 'ideal'. My resting heart rate is elevated by about 15 BPM but then I've got the symptoms of a virus coming on, so I'd say that's normal.

I would not worry too much regarding the rubber contact as this is a controversial topic here on the nexus. The concern is phthalate contamination. The stance here is to strictly prevent/minimize solvent contact with plastics/rubber because of the said phthalates in question. My understanding is that some phthalates are more benign than others but we don't currently know which phthalates we are working with since we don't have the capacity to perform such research atm. Anyhow phthalate exposure is mainly a concern for chronic exposure much less than acute. Hopefully this can be an area we can focus our research efforts in the future until then just use glass with minimal rubber/plastic and solvent contact.

The effects you are describing sounds more along the lines of an acute stress response. The mind is very powerful in regards to controlling the physical body, the more you work with the spice this will be more noticeable and may be the deciding factor to keep going. There are times that I just can't breakthrough because of my bodily reactions which usually involves not being able to take the whole dose or not being able to hold it long enough...thats when I put the pipe down and try another day. And then there are other days that it feels like your heart is going to beat itself to death until wait.......I no longer have a heart beating anymore to worry about, who needed that damn thing anyway Good luck with honing in on your technique and overcoming the uncomfortable body load on the onset. Much love corto!

Thanks Kobranek for the info about rubber, and the comments. The body was certainly very stressed. Not the conscious mind though.

Until this point I'd experienced what I'd come to see as 'usual' body load going into hyperspace but this was something entirely different... dangerous.

Anyway, I recrystallized a 0.2g and took a few doses of 10mg. I either didn't vape it right or this dose it too low to have any appreciable effect other than relaxation. I probably didn't vape it right. I'll keep working at low doses until my technique gets better.

Hi Corto Kobranek is correct about body stress , I've seen Freinds who has just smoked then when they come down there that rattled they look as though there having body Tremmers and they feel enmensly cold to the touch , but they soon recover and go in again , I'm sure you'll work through it , good reports thanx for sharing !