This is at my motherly figures homestead. Does it look like a pachanoi? Possibly non-PC? oompaloompa?

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That sure does look like a pachanoi, and considering how large it is it looks like it has been around for a while, it could well be a good one.

Looks worthy of investigation to me but I'm no pro though wait for one of our experts to ID it before you chop it up.

They were much larger but we had some monsoons that finally took some down. Then my mom chopped a ton of it down. She says it grows like crazy. Im pretty sure they are at least 15years old.


The white fur on the flowers make me wonder if its a so called "Pachanot".

It looks like you've got the PC Pachanoi, but no need to worry, with the amount you have I am sure you could get a reasonable dose. Not to mention that PC Pachanoi doesn't equal inactive, just possibly less active.

yes PC
my extractions from such old growth have always been disapointing

yea, i bet if you stressed the crap out of it, and then harvested a ton (Dehydrate it, just to work with the bulk amount comfortably) you could probably extract a fair amount.

at the very least you could use the presumably HUGE root system on that sucker for some grafting.

not as awesome as it could be if it weren't PC, but still a valuable find (unless you are dreamer that is )

you'd think so- i used to too
ran a few truckloads of dehydrated stressed out old growth PC for a few grams of mesc. while other varieties may have yielded a few ounces.

man you really dont want me to have any hopes of getting anything out of these cacti! lol

maybe ill just grow a few 2' sections for fun and learning. Only difference is mescaline content. Ive got plenty of cacti to learn to root and pot with now it looks like. heh

It looks like PC pachanoi to me. I wouldn't even try to dose from it though to be honest. Unless you want to waste 5-15 feet of it just trying to get high. Which would be an utter waste imo. You could use it as a great grafting stock for lophophora and then get a real good trich clone to use for mesc.

Basically what I'm saying is that you are going to have to deal with a massive amount of plant matter (that could be put to better use for grafting) just to get a ridiculously small yield. TLC's that I've seen on PC usually come back with very little to no mescaline content.

if i cut down all the "scions" or arms, and graft on peruvian torch, would this old stand/rootbase cause my peruvian torch to grow super fast? would there be any benefit?

PC pachanoi i guess

Ignore the naysayers and give it a try anyway! 5.8 pounds of a weak cactus (30 inches long, 4 inches in diameter), looking much like yours, prepared using the old fashioned boiling method, worked healing wonders for 1 person who found themselves still unfit to drive 24 hours after ingestion. Or you may just get an upset stomach and nothing, but at least you'll know for certain.

Safe travels!

hey, a dose is better than no dose.

i don't see how 15 feet is a waste, if you have access to 15 feet, which has no better use.

clearly it is not ideal for harvesting.

but it is possible to get small yields from mass amounts, which is considerably better than getting no yields from no amounts (imo). i probably wouldn't drink it, but rather stick to extraction (if anything), simply because the amount of plant matter needed is massive.

but yea, its presumably got a huge root system so it would still be good grafting stock either way.
in the meantime you should grow some potent trichs and lophs.


well trichs are trichs, and they grow at the same rate (pretty much). but there would still be a considerably benefit, because the entire root system of the big cactus would devote its efforts to the scion, rather than rooting out the cuttings, and having them grow on really small root systems (plus it would devote a fair amount of its energy to growing roots).

so there is no real reason NOT to graft the peruvianus to it.

also, hostilis has done some interesting experiments with topical GA3 dilute sprayed topically on the scion of the graft. seemed to speed up growth speed even more (with lophophora - but presumably the same could be done for trich, afaik)

Why even dose the cacti if it's PC. It's prettymuch guaranteed to have little to no mescaline. I think that's one of the reasons it's sold in all those big box stores like home depot and lowes. You can't get high off of it (not off of the normal 1-4 feet) It would basically just be wasting an ornamental plant/grafting stock to even try imo. You would just be killing off tons of plant mass that you could be putting to way better use like grafting lophophora or other slow growing cacti.

Here is a PC pedro that I used as grafting stock for a lophophora williamsii seedling. The seedling was about 2cm when grafted five months ago. It is over 6cm now and has produced seed.

Here is week 1:


Here's the flower:


Here's it today:


You could be doing stuff like this with this plant instead of wasting a massive amount of it to get high. Which you probably wont unless you take the time to deal with a gigantic amount of plant mass and do a huge extraction which would probably take a really long time and you'd end up with barely anything to show from it. Get yourself some T. bridgesii or T. peruvianus and then you wont be wasting your time and perfectly good grafting stock.

But if you want to go for it and probably waste a bunch of time and energy you do have a lot of it to work with. That being said if the owner doesn't mind you taking 10 feet of it for 1 dose. Lol.

And Parshvik, I've used the GA3 spraying on trich seedlings as well. When using such a huge grafting stock I don't see much of a benefit coming from it.

If you do graft a peruvianus to it then I would make sure it is an active growing shoot that you put it on. Also, if you can find one with just 1 big solitary stock then use that, but by the looks of it all of those plants have multiple arms.

im just gonna use the longest arms for living fence once summer comes around. ill replant big cuttings at my place along the wall.

Sweet dude! That will look good.

Buy if you were to plant a plant, why go for pc instead of stronger clones? In five years time you will find yourself both with a living fence and a good source of cactus.

It just takes a little bit of beforehand planing to give you a considerable result in few year's time.

the pc is more cold and wet hardy than many of our favorite cacti
a good choice for landscape cacti in many climates.

what is your USDA zone?

Yeah, the PC clone does pretty awesome in a very wide variety of climates. It is also my go to clone choice for pachanoi grafting stock. I wouldn't mind having one in my yard. But I agree with Infund, I think you should get some potent clones that are also hardy to add in there as well as a few PC. Those will be really good for test runs in your area since you have so much to spare. You can do a lot of testing, experimenting and grafting. I would be stoked if I had access to all of that!

Also, one more thing... That plant looks like it's been cut a lot in certain sections. Has this person been just propagating it? Or do you think that they tried it a few times maybe?

This thread has really given me some insights. heh.

Living fence: I agree it would be way more neet to grow more medicinal variants of the cacti especially a peruvian torch, mmm mmm. BUT i figure that would cost quite a bit of cash to get started or is it way cheaper to obtain medicinal cacti cuttings (of maybe some length?) during the right time of the year?

Multiple Cuts: Nah no one has been sampling it. It just grows super fast i guess and constantly has arms falling off. We get monsoon storms so they get ripped off then. also there were so many tipped over and about to fall after last summers storms that they just hacked a bunch down. the house has only had 3 owners i am aware of in the last 15-20 years. my mom, some young lady, and an old couple (who i suspect planted it). So unless they were hippies (i hope) then im sure its PC pach.