Hello all, so recently I have realized that I am able to eat 3.5g of syrian rue seeds with ease. Yes I mean I can swallow them whole, no extraction, no tea. I can do this only getting very slight nausea and with no purge.

Anyways, I have tried this twice with small amounts of DMT and I have noticed very very minor effects, much less than what I would expect from reading about common pharmahuasca/aya doses. I did 3.5g rue with about 80mg dmt last night and only barely had a few CEV's. No OEV's or hyperspace or out of body or anything.

So my question, is eating the seeds whole inhibiting their ability to absorb into my system? I mean, I figured it would take a bit longer for them to dissolve and absorb in my gut while whole, so I have waited a bit longer than I have read is necessarry to dose my DMT. What do you think?

Is this method taking away the rue's ability to properly inhibit MAO?? Or do I simply need more dmt? I am not against making rue tea, just figure I should take advantage of it if I am the rare type to be able to stomach the seeds w/o issue.

Any advice is appreciated.

I like to grind syrian rue seeds in a coffee grinder and pack it into capsules using a Cap M Quik

I eat 1-3g or 3-9 pills an hour before blast off

Ill have to try that! Sounds like a good idea actually, Id be packing capsules by hand though lol

hello osubzero18,

it could be a few things that are slowing the experience,

1, If the seeds are whole it will be more difficult for the alks to get into your system, this is an advantage of brewing, the alks are much more accessible when they have been extracted into the brew. Brews/extractions take some time but they are more effective at delivering the goods.

2, not enough rue, some people need more than 3.5g but most don't.

3, not enough DMT, I wouldn't feel much of anything from 80mg but many would. I wouldn't increase this much until you kinow you are getting full effects from the rue, if you up both levels at the same time you may be in for a shock.

4, timing, some times 20 mins apart works but sometimes taking them together works as well.

As you probably know its a trial and error situation and you are just gonna have to work out what works for you. I would advise making a brew or extracting your goodies as even though you don't get sick from whole plants, it is not an optimal way to get the magic out.

good luck on your future exploration

Thank you for your advice! Those are some great tips, and you seem very well informed lol. I will probably extract 4g of rue for drinking and increase my DMT amount slightly as well. Yes I am definitely figuring out it is much trial and error lol I have yet to have much luck with oral ingestion.

Actually, I may end up just getting my hands on some caapi and trying it the traditional way (: again thanks for your advice, I thought whole seeds method may not be best lol.

I'd just brew it...its quick and easy and way more absorb-able and immediate than eating rock hard seeds

you might need more rue and/or dmt as well, or just a tweak in your timing, or both. Its hard to say with this sort of thing...Tinker around and you'll get the hang of it

You could figure out how to reliably have a psychedelic experience on rue alone before adding in the dmt, because then you know what your getting into.

80mg with a truly psychedelic amount of rue will be incredibly psychedelic for virtually anyone. Most of the time people just don't take that type of amount, they just want to activate the dmt. I'm not saying thats the only way to use it, there are many ways; i'm just trying to give you an idea as to why its hard to generalize about what affects are produced by X dmt amount. With an amount of rue that just activates some of the dmt, you may have a very mild trip in comparison