This is going to be my first experience attempting an extraction. I have a decent background in chemistry so a lot of the instructions and explanations I've seen pertaining to this undertaking make sense to me and I understand how and why they work. However there are a few practical issues I'm worried about.
I'm planning on using Q21Q21's tek 2 so all questions will be pertaining to that.

My first questions are about the root. From digging around recently on forums (not just this one) I've come to the conclusion that Mimosa Hostilis is now rather hard to come by so Acacia Confusa is being used. Now, I was wondering:
1. If this is true can Acacia be used in this tek (it's an A/B so it should be fine, right?)
2. What will be the difference in yield? Will I need to purchase a different amount than I would have to of M. Hostilis to obtain the same amount of spice?

My second set of questions are about removing the spice from the non polar solvent.
1. I know that a freezer is preferred but I read here that it's ok to just let the solvent evaporate off at room temperature as long as it's covered. Now, I don't need extreme purity here as I'm a new guy, so would this turn out a satisfactory product still?
2. If not and I must freeze, here's my issue: I can't have my freezer smelling like chemicals as I do not live alone and the other members of the house would probably not appreciate a freezer reeking of chemicals and would find it rather suspicious. They are not too accepting of exploration of this type. (Before you ask, yes I am over 18.) How badly does the naphtha smell, and if it would be noticeable to someone casually opening the freezer, is there a less smelly, fairly available alternative? I know the list of non polar solvents isn't long but I figured it's worth asking in case the freezer is absolutely necessary.

Thanks in advance, this site is wonderful.

Edit: thanks to everyone who has responded, THIS is why I'm waiting for a few weeks after figuring out my tek to actually started; I appreciate so much hearing new perspectives and experiences and even warnings. I want to do this right, I want this to be a good experience for me, so glad to hear all this.

It doesn't take very long to figure out why purity is considered a normal thing to strive for here at the nexus. One recommendation for you is to do the Jim jam jamboree rather than fluffy funfest. Use limonene as a nps and back-salt it out.

Can simply freeze the DMT acetate solution and pour off the limonene, then reduce the solution to a tincture.

From there it's pretty easy to convert freebase as needed ( freebasing with heat is fine the product is good but you will eventually want to freebase it with sodium carbonate and pull with naphtha, using vinegar makes it taste a little strange) The nice thing is if you do evap it, you'll have used way less naptha and therefore way less impurities. And if you decide to freeze precip it can be more manageable (but you reall don't want to poison your freezer man!) theoretically using a little glass dish with a lid shouldn't cause your food to smell or hurt you but all these sketchy factors will ultimately weigh on your consciousness.

Ok I think I get what you're saying but I'm a tad confused.
Looking back through the tek I'm puzzling over why I didn't want to do the Jim jam jamboree...I think it was because the whole tincture seemed like too much work but thinking about it I see what you mean. However, I'm confused by the freezing of the DMT acetate solution...where within the procedure are you saying this should be done?

Indeed prolly too much at once my bad.

That is an alternative method some members have found of separating the limonene an acetic acid solution. It's much easier than basting. Save your limonene if you do choose that method, causeimonene is expensive.


IMO, it's worth it to do full spectrum with acacias

Gotcha now. Then how much does the limonene smell? I know it's wayyyyyy more food safe than lighter fluid but if I remember correctly doesn't it smell very strong of oranges (correct me if I'm wrong, not 100% sure)? While I'm sure this is more pleasant than naphtha I have a feeling that it still might end up suspicious if it is strong enough. What's your experience with it?

And officially you have convinced me to use the jamboree tek, I'm starting to order supplies now.

And so with the A. Confusa I'm going to use, would 50g still be a suitable amount to start out with? I'm debating whether to order 100g or 250g at the moment, and I want to have enough so that if I screw up an extraction I have more material to try again, but not so much that if I decide I don't want to do DMT again (as this will be my first use once this is done) I won't have wasted too much money.

Limonene does indeed smell strongly, but pleasantly, of oranges.

It's Christmas, so buy your housemates a crate of clementines. They won't suspect a thing...

It shouldn't smell too much if you don't spill it everywhere and generally keep the lids screwed on your jars.

Limonene eats latex for breakfast...

Yea that's what I thought. That clementine idea though might just be gold.

You could even paint a couple of extra blobs of limo on the box, just to get them used to it

Sounds like someone has some experience with this

And I just got quite a kick out of amazon while shopping for what I need. When buying a gallon of limonene, the top 2 "customers who bought this product also bought:" products are a glass baster and a one pound bag of pickling lime...hmmmmmmmmm....I wonder.....it sounds like there's more DMT users than people who like all natural cleaners haha

IME it was very smelly but this wasn't a problem for me. The issue for me was poor ventilation of fumes and if I had used naptha it would have created a very unpleasant environment. Even the limonene fumes gave me a slight headache, so try to get as good of ventilation as you can.

Also I think q21 calls that tek something other than a jamboree but dreamer042 once mentioned in the chat that name and It will forever be the jamboree in my mind.

I suspect if you keep doing pulls off of 50 grams as q21 explains then you will have plenty of active product. Of course it will contain NMT, but this will increase your yield.

I think it's very difficult to screw up this tek. A basic understanding of the chemistry and it should be recoverable.

But to make things as smooth as possible: it's good to keep the consistency a little bit on the drier side (but letting it base out for a weekend can correct this if you add too much vinegar water) that way wen you do your pulls, you can just tip the bowl over and collect the limonene by pouring it right off. Just prevent the mixture from plopping out.

My experience was with vinegar I haven't tried a FAS mixture yet. When you add the vinegar to the limonene, the alkaloids will become insoluble in the limonene and then it clouds up. IME letting it sit over night causes all of the acetate salts to return to the water. So an overnight freeze is recommended if you can. Otherwise you can just baste out the vinegar (bottom layer) and collect it and then reuse the limonene to pull. It's a very leisurely non-toxic approach to spice extraction. Most of the intensity is in basting.

Anyways if you don't know what I'm talking about now just refer to this thread later.

For making the tincture, I used an electrical element with the acetic solution in a regular pot. Because it's very salty it comes to a boil pretty quickly and I just held the pot at an angle until it reduced so
Much that a little bit of the DMT started to freebase right on the pot (at the shallowest edges) but reducing it until it is dark brown is all that is needed. Then I just waited for it all to cool and transferred it to an herbal extract tincture bottle that I cleaned very well. With my procedure 3 drops was pretty strong and thus far I haven't tried any more than that

I easily came up with at least 50 (low estimation)or so doses with that procedure (but I did not weigh the initial bark amount, it was probably close to 100grams Edit: after further review i would say this tek I'm referring to was probably closer to 150grams) and I haven't finished pulling. So that's very similar to 50 20mg doses with 1gram of a fluffy white acacias (though not pure DMT) with only 2 pulls. Good luck and happy travels, merry Christmas and happy new year!

Wow thanks for all the info!! And when you said jamboree I knew what you meant and started using that without realizing it haha, you are correct, it's actually called Jimjam but since they're so similar I accidentally swapped them. I will definitely take the fumes into account, I know many ways to ventilate the area I'm going to work in as I've done other chemical procedures there so I will apply as many as I can. I intend to use exactly the same method for the tincture you describe, and I'm actually ordering nice lab beakers just for this reason.

Again, thanks for such a detailed response, I think most of my questions are cleared up
I'll be attempting this soon after Christmas once I receive all my supplies

If naphtha is freeze-precipitated in a glass container with an airtight lid, it will not leave your freezer/food smelling like naphtha. Evaporating naphtha indoors would however stink up the whole house.

That being said, here is a quote from the Attitude page:


I, and I'm sure others on this forum, would really recommend you wait until you have a better place to perform your extraction. There is no reason to rush these things. Just think of what would happen if one of your roommates walked in on you or something? At first glance it would probably look like you were cooking meth, and people tend to alert the authorities when they see things like that... I'm not going to tell you what to do, I'm just throwing in my two cents.

You raise a completely valid point. And I have not made a commitment either way on whether to go through with this, so in my considerations I will definitely take this into account. I've been planning on doing this in a locked room so I'm not worried about being walked in on but I completely understand the sentiment that this should not be performed in a less than accepting environment.
I have a friend who is heavily into acid and shrooms and is always looking for something new. He has his own place so I may talk to him about working together now that I think about it...and thank you for the gentle reminder from the attitude section, my apologies if I came off as blatantly ignoring it, that was not my intention at all.

When I was a young chap my dad once found my collection jar in the freezer. haha. was not a laughing thing back then but is funny now. parents freaked out and I was sent to a drug therapist. After a couple sessions and he did his research on what dmt was and he thought I should not be getting therapy for a drug that was like dmt and he told my parents what he thought and my parents threatened to try to get his licensed taken away. So I was sent to a much less open minded counselor who cared about his pay check more then reason and who did what my parents wanted him to do. Pretty crazy because I was only 16 at the time. Anybody else forced into going to a therapist for spice, either by a spouse or concerned parent?

16 eh? What was it like experiencing DMT that young? I'm not in high school, but I'm on the young side for what I've seen people recommend so I'm very curious what your perspective in it is if you don't mind sharing

wow where do I start. I certainly wouldn't recommend it at that young. But you have a completely different way of looking at things when your in your teen years as we all know. I was a kid experiencing things that no one can explain. No matter how much dmt I vape or drink, nothing can compare to the experience on an immature mind. I would walk through my high school dumb founded on how anything works at all. Some nights I would spend clawing at my hair because I was so confused. I couldn't just let things be, I had to understand. When I was confused, all I could think to try and get sanity was to vape more spice at very high dosages. It wasn't just spice either. I cultivated my own shrooms and did massive amount of them. I was desperate to find some help. But know one had any idea what I was going through because we were all sophomores! So I ended up convincing my best friend to take 3 tabz of acid to give him some sort of idea of what my life had become. Well that ended terrible. My friend was completely paralyzed 30 minutes after taking the tabz and 10 hours later I finally was able to bring him back with forcing a gallon of milk down his throat. My friend still has horrible flash backs to this day which effect his ability to function in society and I feel completely guilty. Over all massive amount of psychedelics (dmt,acid,shrooms) in high school seemed to set my mind crazy..... but I am glad that I played out the way I did in my teen years. I cant imagine where I would be now without those crucial years. Anybody else follow this path in there teen years?

O.O wow...that is quite the story...and what I think is even more amazing is that you're glad it happened. Thank you for opening my eyes more than they already were. I've read the trip reports but I've never seen that before. Much respect.

Wow...another life changing experience...this is really a 100% chance of it being life changing if it's a breakthrough isn't it? I'm excited...and nervous, but thanks to you too for sharing. Again, respect.

P.S. Good old erowid

I would most definitely recommend that you wait until you have a safer place to do it. The place that your friend has to himself sounds like a much better environment to extract in, if he agrees to it. It's really imperative that one has a place where they can take their time and not worry about smells, sounds, hiding equipment, etc. I have had a couple of 6-12 month periods where I had to wait until I had a safe place to extract. It will still be there in a few weeks/months/years when you have a good location. DMT often tends to reward those who are patient

NEW QUESTION: what smoking method would you recommend? I'm an experienced MMJ smoker and can hit a bong well, so I'm tempted to use changa (I have damiana, blue lotus, and calea Z on hand already ). But I feel like I should get the pure DMT experience first, so I'm looking at Q21Q21's mini machine. Or would one of those herbs lend itself to a more likely good trip? I have no clue, advice?